Circle of Greats 1900 Balloting

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This post is for voting and discussion in the 91st round of balloting for the Circle of Greats (COG). This round adds to the list of candidates eligible to receive your votes those players born in 1900. Rules and lists are after the jump.

The new group of 1900-born players, in order to join the eligible list, must, as usual, have played at least 10 seasons in the major leagues or generated at least 20 Wins Above Replacement (“WAR”, as calculated by baseball-reference.com, and for this purpose meaning 20 total WAR for everyday players and 20 pitching WAR for pitchers). This new group of 1900-born candidates joins the eligible holdovers from previous rounds to comprise the full list of players eligible to appear on your ballots.

Each submitted ballot, if it is to be counted, must include three and only three eligible players. As always, the one player who appears on the most ballots cast in the round is inducted into the Circle of Greats. Players who fail to win induction but appear on half or more of the ballots that are cast win four added future rounds of ballot eligibility. Players who appear on 25% or more of the ballots cast, but less than 50%, earn two added future rounds of ballot eligibility. Any other player in the top 9 (including ties) in ballot appearances, or who appears on at least 10% of the ballots, wins one additional round of ballot eligibility.

All voting for this round closes at 11:59 PM EDT Thursday, April 23rd, while changes to previously cast ballots are allowed until 11:59 PM EDT Tuesday, April 21st.

If you’d like to follow the vote tally, and/or check to make sure I’ve recorded your vote correctly, you can see my ballot-counting spreadsheet for this round here: COG 1900 Vote Tally . I’ll be updating the spreadsheet periodically with the latest votes. Initially, there is a row in the spreadsheet for every voter who has cast a ballot in any of the past rounds, but new voters are entirely welcome — new voters will be added to the spreadsheet as their ballots are submitted. Also initially, there is a column for each of the holdover candidates; additional player columns from the new born-in-1900 group will be added to the spreadsheet as votes are cast for them.

Choose your three players from the lists below of eligible players. The twelve current holdovers are listed in order of the number of future rounds (including this one) through which they are assured eligibility, and alphabetically when the future eligibility number is the same. The 1900 birth-year guys are listed below in order of the number of seasons each played in the majors, and alphabetically among players with the same number of seasons played.

Holdovers:
Harmon Killebrew (eligibility guaranteed for 9 rounds)
Carl Hubbell (eligibility guaranteed for 5 rounds)
Paul Waner (eligibility guaranteed for 4 rounds)
Rick Reuschel (eligibility guaranteed for 2 rounds)
Kevin Brown (eligibility guaranteed for this round only)
Roy Campanella (eligibility guaranteed for this round only)
Dennis Eckersley (eligibility guaranteed for this round only)
Wes Ferrell (eligibility guaranteed for this round only)
Minnie Minoso (eligibility guaranteed for this round only)
Graig Nettles (eligibility guaranteed for this round only)
Luis Tiant (eligibility guaranteed for this round only)
Dave Winfield (eligibility guaranteed for this round only)

Everyday Players (born in 1900, ten or more seasons played in the major leagues or at least 20 WAR):
Gabby Hartnett
Ossie Bluege
Goose Goslin
Jimmie Wilson
Jim Bottomley
Marty McManus
George Grantham
Willie Kamm
Hughie Critz
Roy Spencer
Hack Wilson
Merv Shea

Pitchers (born in 1900, ten or more seasons played in the major leagues or at least 20 WAR):
Ted Lyons
Syl Johnson
Lefty Grove
Joe Heving
Pete Donohue
Tony Kaufmann
Ed Wells
Garland Braxton
Jumbo Elliott
Lefty Stewart
George Earnshaw

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Doug

9 years ago

This round’s tidbits. (Answers in red). 1. Ted Lyons was the first pitcher to be used in the modern style, making almost half of his starts (236 of 484) on 5 or more days of rest. That pattern of use helped Lyons to end his career with 28 consecutive complete games, the longest such searchable streak. Which pitcher is second on that list? Sandy Koufax 2. Gabby Hartnett was the first NL catcher to surpass 50 WAR for his career, almost all of that total as a Cub. Which other HOF catcher also ended his career with a lone season… Read more »

Richard Chester

9 years ago

Reply to Doug

Additional tidbit:
Goose Goslin holds the record for the most HR by a visiting player at Yankee Stadium. His total of 32 is 1 more than Mickey Vernon and 2 more than Ted Williams. At YS Goslin had 1 HR per 19.65 AB. At all the other parks he had 1 HR per 37.17 AB. Vernon also had 1 HR per 19.65 AB at YS but had 1 HR per 57.61 AB at all the other parks.

Paul E

9 years ago

Reply to Richard Chester

I imagine Mickey Vernon’s final career statistics would have looked a lot better if he had played for the Yankees instead of half his games for the Senators at Griffith Stadium (or as they say in 2015-speak: “The Griff”)….25 HR’s/year – not bad

Richard Chester

9 years ago

Reply to Doug

Question 8, Ossie Bluege: Without looking it up I am sure it was Eddie Yost.

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Doug

9 years ago

Reply to Richard Chester

It is the walking man.

Dr. Doom

9 years ago

Reply to Doug

7. Lefty Grove – The three liveball pitchers to win 20+ in 6 consecutive seasons are Robin Roberts, Fergie Jenkins, and Warren Spahn. 11. Willie Kamm – I think it’s Eddie Yost. If it’s not him, it’s Sal Bando. If it’s not him, it’s Wade Boggs. Those are the only AL 3B with 50+ BB in 12+ consecutive seasons. 15. Johnny Blanchard, who is one of the few players to also have played for 3 teams in one season – the Yanks, KC A’s, and Milwaukee Braves in their (and his) final season of 1965. Today’s the last day of… Read more »

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Doug

9 years ago

Reply to Dr. Doom

The answers to the Grove and Wilson (#15) questions are correct.

Sal Bando is the answer to the Kamm question. Eddie Yost didn’t qualify as he had only 45 walks in his first qualifying (and rookie) season in 1947.

Interesting thought about Blanchard and playing for a team in its last season in a city. Elmer Valo did that 3 times (’54 As, ’57 Dodgers, ’60 Senators). Also Don Mincher (’60 Senators, ’69 Pilots, ’71 Senators). Any others?

Dr. Doom

9 years ago

Reply to Doug

I wasn’t sure if Yost’s 45-BB year was qualifying or not, and I didn’t want to look it up, so I just lazily posted all the answers. 😉

Richard Chester

9 years ago

Reply to Dr. Doom

For question 11 I think it’s Boggs. It has to be qualifying seasons.

Richard Chester

9 years ago

Reply to Richard Chester

I saw just afterwards that it was to be the first 3B to do so.

Richard Chester

9 years ago

Reply to Doug

Question 1, Ted Lyons: Sandy Koufax who finished his career with 6 CG.

Richard Chester

9 years ago

Reply to Doug

Question 21, Garland Braxton. I found it to be another Garland, Wayne Garland. Had a .741 W-l % with the O’s in 1976 and dropped to .406 in 1977 with the Tribe.

Richard Chester

9 years ago

Reply to Richard Chester

And while we’re on the subject of Garland here’s my answer to the Garland Braxton question, #22: Wilcy Moore (1927 Yankees) and Gene Bearden (1948 Indians).

Doug

9 years ago

Reply to Richard Chester

Those are the two.

Doug

9 years ago

Reply to Richard Chester

Garland was the Indians’ big free agent signing after his 20 win season in Baltimore with 232 IP, his first season over 100 IP. Cleveland upped his workload to 282 IP in the following 13-19 season. It would be Garland’s last qualifying season as he managed 100 IP only once over his last four years.

Hartvig

9 years ago

Reply to Doug

I think the answer to #3 is Tom Gordon. My first guess was Tim Wakefield but he didn’t relieve as much as I thought he did.

Hope this posts. My last few haven’t.

Richard Chester

9 years ago

Reply to Doug

Question 1, Ted Lyons: For the searchable era I found Sandy Koufax is second on the list, pitching CG in his last 6 games. Outside of the searchable era I discovered a guy named Jack Bracken who pitched in the ML for one year, 1901, and completed every game in which he appeared, 12 total. Another one year pitcher was Henry Schmidt who pitched in 1903. He appeared in 40 G and completed 29 of them.

Richard Chester

9 years ago

Reply to Richard Chester

Hey, I completely forgot that I already answered this question. At least I provided some more info to dwell upon.

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Doug

9 years ago

Reply to Richard Chester

I guess Bracken has Sandy beat. But, a couple of 19th century pitchers have both Koufax and Lyons beat: – Jack Lynch completed each start he made in his final 3 AA seasons (1886-87, 90) for a total of 71 CG. The season before that he completed 43 of 44 starts. For his career, he had 214 CG in 216 starts. – Jim Devlin pitched a CG in each of his 61 starts in his final 1877 NL season. For his career, he had 151 CG in 153 starts. – Also Sam Kimber (42 CG, 1884-85) and Tom Sullivan (34… Read more »

Richard Chester

9 years ago

Reply to Doug

Doug: Concerning question #4, Jimmie Wilson: As of 1936 Wilson had caught 600 games for 2 teams. I ran the PI for catchers with 1200 games played as a catcher until 1936. There were 12 names on the list. The only one of those, other than Wilson, to play 600 games for 2 teams, regardless of position, was Frank Snyder. He played for the Cards and Giants but had only 561 games as a catcher for the Cards (686 for the Giants). So I came up empty-handed for that question.

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Doug

9 years ago

Reply to Richard Chester

My mistake.

Question was supposed to be “first catcher with 600 games played for two franchises” to which the answer is Frank Snyder. Sorry for the confusion.

Richard Chester

9 years ago

Reply to Doug

Question #9, Marty McManus: Zoilo Versalles, 1965

Richard Chester

9 years ago

Reply to Doug

Question 12, George Grantham: George Joseph Burns in 1913

Richard Chester

9 years ago

Reply to Doug

Question number 18, Merv Shea question: Jose Molina and Drew Butera.

Dr. Doom

9 years ago

Reply to Doug

Doug, you haven’t heard from birtelcom by any chance, have you?

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Doug

9 years ago

Reply to Dr. Doom

No reply from birtelcom.

JA replied and indicated he’d be checking in again soon.

Luis Gomez

9 years ago

Minoso, Nettles, Tiant.

9 years ago

Reply to Luis Gomez

Luis, did you take your trip to San Francisco yet?

Luis Gomez

9 years ago

Reply to RJ

I did! It was a wonderful experience. We got there on the first day of April, a Wednesday. We had tickets for the first pre-season game the next day against the A´s. My kids absolutely loved the city and of course AT&T Park. There were a lot of giveaways that day, like bobblehead dolls, posters, towels and more. The most liked item to my kids was a Buster Posey T-shirt with his name and number on the back and a chest protector printed on the front. Of course my older boy now has a new favorite catcher (He is also… Read more »

9 years ago

Reply to Luis Gomez

That’s great to hear Luis! Are the kids Padres fans too or have they been converted to the Giants after this?

Luis Gomez

9 years ago

Reply to RJ

Ha! They almost changed alliances with all those gifts!

Nah, they´re both Baseball fans. The older one (he is 7) is a Red Sox and Padres fan, but his favorite players are Adrian Gonzalez and Buster Posey. The Red Sox alliance comes from his Little League team, which uses the same colors and the “B” in their caps just like Boston´s.

The younger roots for the Padres and Adrian Gonzalez too, but is too young to know for sure what´s going on.

But you should have been proud to hear them scream (in English) Go Giants! during the game. 🙂

Richard Chester

9 years ago

Reply to RJ

Did you ever make it to Lefty O’Doul’s restaurant?

Luis Gomez

9 years ago

Reply to Richard Chester

No, I did not. We were heading there after a Fisherman´s Wharf walk-trip and before going to the game, but we got stuck in traffic in the Downtown area for more than an hour, so we figure it would be the same thing around the ballpark, and because we did not wanted to be late for the game, we changed plans and ate at the ballpark. There were road constructions all over the city, including near the Golden Gate Bridge area, making it hard for newcomers to move around the place. But like I said, it was a great experience.… Read more »

Luis Gomez

9 years ago

Gabby Hartnett quiz: Ernie Lombardi (my first guess was Gary Carter).

Doug

9 years ago

Reply to Luis Gomez

Not Lombardi. He ended his career with 5 seasons for the Giant.

Looking for a HOF catcher like Hartnett who finished his career with a single season as a Giant.

Luis Gomez

9 years ago

Reply to Doug

I had to look it up: Ray Schalk. At first, I missed the “lone season” part of the sentence.

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Doug

9 years ago

Reply to Luis Gomez

Schalk joined the Giants as a coach after being fired (his bio says “forced to resign”) as the White Sox player/manager during the 1928 season. He got into only 5 games for the Giants in 1929 before moving on to become a Cubs coach in 1930 and 1931.

Artie Z.

9 years ago

We should have held the redemption round after this round. There are 8 players on the bubble. There are two HOFers who won’t get much (if any) love in Bottomley and Hack Wilson. There are three HOFers who probably should get some love (Lyons, Hartnett, and Goslin) and possibly eventually gain entry into the COG. Then there is Lefty Grove, who … well, he’s going to be elected this year unless people skip over him because he’s third on the pitcher list. He’s also third all-time in black ink.

Lefty Grove, Hartnett, Ferrell

Doug

9 years ago

Reply to Artie Z.

So, your thinking is that Redemption rounds work best with weaker birth year ballots.

I can hold off on the Redemption round to next week.

David P

9 years ago

Reply to Doug

Hmmm…just cast my vote for the redemption round, then it disappeared. I disagree completely with Artie Z. Redemption rounds should be held on a schedule, not based on who may/may not be on the ballot. Plus, Grove (the 800 pound gorilla) will be off the ballot before the redemption candidates are added. Leaving plenty of votes to keep people above the 10% threshold.

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Doug

9 years ago

Reply to David P

The redemption round schedule is “every ten years or so”, so there is some latitude in when we have them. Given that the remaining COG rounds are dwindling, I think there is some logic behind scheduling those redemption rounds in weaker birth years, as Artie Z. was proposing. If a strong birth year does result in one or more holdovers dropping off, then their next chance at redemption could be ten years away if there was a concurrent redemption round, but sooner otherwise. I think having the two part Redemption round coincide with the 1899 and 1898 ballots (rather than… Read more »

David P

9 years ago

Reply to Doug

That’s fine Doug though putting them with a weak birth year doesn’t necessarily mean they’ll join the ballot in a weak year (since they’ll be joining the following year). Two other quick points. Since we’ve added a bunch of years to the ballot, I’d suggest making the split between the two redemption rounds different, by pushing it back a few years. When I looked at the pitcher and hitter lists you had on the now deleted post, it was slim pickings. Secondly, unless I completely overlooked him, I don’t remember seeing Jim Edmonds on the hitters list, when he definitely… Read more »

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Doug

9 years ago

Reply to Doug

Good catch on Edmonds. He wasn’t the only one I left off (must have had something limiting the search that I wasn’t aware of).

I just ran the Hitter reports again, and I get 154 for 1946-1970 and 175 for 1899-1945 (those numbers could changed by one or two, depending on what happens this round).

I think those totals are close enough to an even split to leave as they are. But, will probably change for the next Redemption round.

David P

9 years ago

Reply to Doug

Thanks Doug! Apropos of Artie Z’s #47, I don’t remember seeing Dwight Evans either. Hopefully he’s back on the list as well.

Dave Humbert

9 years ago

Reply to Doug

Doug, Fair point that with only 3 likely redemption rounds, avoiding a heavy year allows those who drop to wait a bit less than 10 years. I too think the same handful of candidates will cycle in and out, but at least the ones we seem to care most about won’t get burned as easily. Makes sense. I still like the idea of 2 from each era just to provide those extra chances, even if there are few slots left – Cone, T. Simmons, Palmiero, Edmonds, Dwight Evans, Dawson, Newhouser, Drysdale, Torre, D. Allen, Boyer, Ashburn and others deserve another… Read more »

Dave Humbert

9 years ago

Reply to Doug

Are we continuing 2 part redemptions with 2 from postwar, then 2 from pre-war? In that case, 2 would get added in 1899, and 2 in 1898 (only Frisch a likely COGer), not overwhelming our ballot. If a redemption round happened in 1900 and 1899, we would not see them until the weaker years anyway. Seems all the candidates on the bubble have been getting the support to stay on for a while now. Part of the fun of these ballots is navigating around strong birth years/redemptions anyway. Not too many big years left besides 1887, and refreshing options is… Read more »

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Doug

9 years ago

Reply to Dave Humbert

Birtelcom seems to have done each round in two parts, one post-war followed by one pre-war, each with two players selected. So, that is what I have in mind.

Dr. Doom

9 years ago

Reply to Doug

Doug, do you have contact info for birtelcom? Do you know how he’s doing? It’s been a LOT of weeks since he checked in here, and it’s kind of disconcerting. If you have a way to contact him, would you be willing to do so to ask how he’s doing?

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Doug

9 years ago

Reply to Doug

I have his e-mail address.

I’ll drop him a note, and let you know if I get a response.

David Horwich

9 years ago

Reply to Doug

One minor point, redemption rounds started off being held every 10 years, but at some point switched to every 10 rounds.

Anyway, my own feeling is that by now the list of possible redemptionees has been pretty well picked over; the last time we added a slew of new candidates a couple of them dropped right back off the ballot in short order. So I think one redemption round, with 2 or maybe 3 winners, would suffice.

Artie Z.

9 years ago

Reply to Doug

My thinking is what is the point of having someone fall off the ballot who may be viewed as being a stronger candidate than those who are not currently on the ballot? I like Dwight Evans and Drysdale and Edmonds and Cone and Ashburn and whoever else might be a viable candidate on the redemption ballot just fine, but I don’t like them any more than the players currently on the bubble. It’s not so much the redemption round players I’m caring about as we near the end of the process, but the guys with 1 round left in this… Read more »

Jeff Harris

9 years ago

Waner, Grove, Hubbell

Luis Gomez

9 years ago

Jim Bottomley question: Jim Rice in 1978.

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Doug

9 years ago

Reply to Luis Gomez

It is Rice.

Willie Mays and Mickey Mantle are the only other players to lead in 3B and HR, curiously both in 1955. They both had healthy RBI totals that year (127 for Mays, 99 for Mantle) but not league-leading totals.

CursedClevelander

9 years ago

Reply to Doug

Only 99 RBI? That selfish Mantle! No wonder the Yankees finally lost to the Dodgers in the WS that year.

If only they had a real run-producer, like Joe Carter. 😉

no statistician but

9 years ago

Reply to CursedClevelander

Actually, Mantle was injured in mid-September and only pinch hit twice after that. In the Series, he had just ten ABs and started only two games.

So, yes, it’s quite possible that Mantle’s low production in the seven game series cost the Yankees the title.

Richard Chester

9 years ago

Reply to Doug

Tommy Leach (1902) and Harry Lumley (1904) also led the league in 3B and HR.

no statistician but

9 years ago

Reply to Luis Gomez

This my second attempt to reply to Cursed Clevelander @ #34:

Actually, Mantle was injured in mid-September and only pinch hit twice after that to season’s end. In the Series, he had just ten ABs and started only two games.

So, yes, it’s quite possible that Mantle’s low production in the seven game series cost the Yankees the title.

I am one of those who has made fewer comments lately owing to the difficulty of dealing with the fickleness of the way the site is performing. But that is probably a blessing for the rest of you.

Paul E

9 years ago

Winfield, Waner, Grove

David P

9 years ago

Lyons, Grove and Tiant.

9 years ago

Grove, Waner, Hubbell

JEV

9 years ago

Grove, Goslin, Hartnett. Sorry Campy…

CursedClevelander

9 years ago

Anyone know what happened to Grove in 1934? I can only assume he was injured. Only 109.1 IP and a horrible 6.50 ERA. Imagine that happening in today’s sports climate? Best pitcher in the world gets traded to the Red Sox and lays a goose egg, the Boston pundits and fans would be rending their garments and whinging fanatically. Of course, he then put up 30.2 bWAR over the next 3 seasons, which probably would have shut them up. He really does have amazing numbers. Grove the Athletic is a no-doubt Hall of Famer, Grove the Red Sock is a… Read more »

Lawrence Azrin

9 years ago

Reply to CursedClevelander

@22/CC;

Grove’s arm went dead in 1934, so he had to figure out how to pitch without the use of his (formerly) blazing fastball. Obviously he was quite successful.

If a pitcher comparable to Grove were acquired by the current Red Sox and he had a season comparable to Grove’s 1934, the Boston pundits and fans would be doing much more than rending their garments and whining fanatically – they’d probably be demanding that the General Manager who made such a deal be FIRED IMMEDIATELY (then rode out of town on a rail, if he was lucky).

robbs

9 years ago

Reply to Lawrence Azrin

I did notice that the Red Sox cut his salary from $45,000 in 1934 to $10,000 in 19354 34 Boston Red Sox $45,000 ? Michael Haupert research of HOF contracts 1935 35 Boston Red Sox $10,000 ? research of HOF contracts 1936 36 Boston Red Sox $17,500 ? Michael Haupert research of HOF contracts 1937 37 Boston Red Sox $19,000 ? Michael Haupert research of HOF contracts 1938 38 Boston Red Sox $15,000 ? Michael Haupert research of HOF contracts 1939 39 Boston Red Sox $5,000 ? Michael Haupert research of HOF contracts 1940 40 Boston Red Sox $15,000 ?… Read more »

jajacob

9 years ago

Grove, Nettles Tiant, this year is a wonderful feast, too bad I don’t have more time to enjoy

Brent

9 years ago

Grove, Waner, Hubbell

Dr. Doom

9 years ago

A lock candidate; yay! Those rounds generally have better turnout and high vote percentages – things we don’t see too much of otherwise. Here’s my all-pitcher ballot (my next choice, were we allowed four, would be Luis Tiant, so I just stuck with my top-3 anyway):

Lefty Grove
Kevin Brown
Carl Hubbell

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Doug

9 years ago

Hartnett, Goslin, Grove

Sorry I had to leave off Ted Lyons, but there just seemed to be too much inconsistency from one year to the next. His ERA fell or ballooned by 0.9 runs or more in consecutive qualifying seasons no fewer than 8 times (fell 5 times, increased 3 times).

brp

9 years ago

G. Nettles
G. Goslin
G. Hartnett

Leaving off Grove as he won’t need my help.

Dr. Doom

9 years ago

Reply to brp

G thanks for sharing. 😛

The Diamond King

9 years ago

Grove, Wilson and Eckersley

David Horwich

9 years ago

Reply to The Diamond King

Is that Hack WIlson or Jimmie Wilson?

The Diamond King

9 years ago

Reply to David Horwich

Reading hard….Hack please.

koma

9 years ago

Harmon Killebrew, Paul Waner, Dennis Eckersley

9 years ago

Lefty Grove, Paul Waner, Rick Reuschel

Gary Bateman

9 years ago

Grove, Goslin, Minoso

Chris C

9 years ago

Geez. Loaded year + all the bubble guys. I’ll need to hold off and vote a little more strategically in a few days.

Richard Chester

9 years ago

Waner, Grove, Hubbell

Steven

9 years ago

Grove, Waner, Hubbell.

Voomo Zanzibar

9 years ago

Lefty Grove didn’t start in the 1929 World Series.
Howard Ehmke started twice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpMZLVj4C74

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Ehmke

Came out of nowhere at the end of his career and struck everybody out with a slowball.

Then invented the baseball field tarp:

http://www.ehmkemanufacturing.com/howard-ehmke/

David P

9 years ago

Reply to Voomo Zanzibar

Grove’s 54 saves are the most for a pitcher with 250+ victories. Second on the list is Walter Johnson, with only 34 saves.

Stephen

9 years ago

Killebrew, Hubble, Waner

dr. remulak

9 years ago

Grove, Campanella, Nettles.

David Horwich

9 years ago

Campanella, Tiant, Winfield

David Horwich

9 years ago

Totals through 21 ballots (through #64):

16 – Grove
==========================50% (11)
9 – Waner
7 – Hubbell
==========================25% (6)
4 -Goslin*, Hartnett*, Nettles*, Tiant*
==========================10% (3)
2 – Campanella*, Eckersley*, Killebrew, Minoso*, Winfield*
1 – Brown*, Ferrell*, Lyons*, Reuschel, Wilson*

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Bryan O'Connor

9 years ago

Most Wins Above Average, excluding negative seasonal totals:

Grove 74.8
Brown 43.3
Waner 40.8
Reuschel 40.6
FerrellW 40.1
Hubbell 39.8
Simmons 37.6
Tiant 37.5
Nettles 35.7
Eckersley 34.3
Lyons 33.3
Killebrew 33.0
Goslin 31.7
Winfield 31.1
Minoso 30.6
Hartnett 30.3
Wilson 23.2
Campanella 19.2
Hall of Famer Jim Bottomley 15.7

Grove, Brown, Waner

JamesS

9 years ago

Grove, Hartnett and Hubbell

mosc

9 years ago

I don’t even know the process of clicks and page refreshes that took me to this page. I am like completely unable to interact with this site in any functional way anymore and it only seems to be getting worse! It’s sucking a lot of my baseball love into website hatred 🙁 Hartnett is IMHO as good as any catcher ever. His defensive contributions simply do not show up in his WAR. He was well above league average defensively at catcher for a very very long time. Cochrane was probably better than league average at his peak and below outside… Read more »

CursedClevelander

9 years ago

Reply to mosc

What browser are you using? I’m using Firefox, and most things seem to be functioning alright except for Recent Comments. I get a “Duplicate Comment” error when I post, but the post still goes through fine.

Richard Chester

9 years ago

Reply to CursedClevelander

I am using Firefox and having one heck of a time using this web-site. I find out about recent posts from my Facebook page and then logon to HHS and type the title of the new post into the search box to access it.

bstar

9 years ago

Reply to mosc

mosc

Try Internet Explorer. It has been working much better than Firefox for me on some of these threads recently.

Voomo Zanzibar

9 years ago

Reply to bstar

Nobody has used Explorer since it gave Al Gore gonorrhea in 2002.

Paul E

9 years ago

Mosc,
I use Google Chrome and the comments I write, when “submitted” below, turn the page completely blank and then, miraculously (or, at least, peculiarly) post. I browse backward and, Voila, they do appear. However, “recent comments” is pretty fickle and unpredictable, and, often lagging well behind the posted comments.
Oh, I just was advised my “Name’ and “e-mail” info disappeared and have to be reposted

Hartvig

9 years ago

Reply to Paul E

Except for the last sentence my experience using Safari has been pretty much identical to yours.

A few days ago I was unable to post anything for about a day and a half. I would either get an error message or the usual blank page but when I went back nothing had posted. It started working again last night so I’m hoping that is still the case.

Paul E

9 years ago

Doug,
Did anyone answer #6 Goose Goslin? Perhaps George Brett?

Richard Chester

9 years ago

Reply to Paul E

I think it’s Robinson Cano.

Richard Chester

9 years ago

Reply to Richard Chester

I misread again, Doug means retired players.

Richard Chester

9 years ago

Reply to Richard Chester

And it is Brett with his 317 HR.

Doug

9 years ago

Reply to Paul E

Yes, it is Brett.

Chris C

9 years ago

Grove, Eckersley, Ted Lyons

Andy

9 years ago

Grove, Hubbell, Waner

Darien

9 years ago

Grove, Killebrew, and Waner

Steve

9 years ago

Harmon Killebrew; Carl Hubbell; Lefty Grove

Low T

9 years ago

Grove, Nettles, Tiant please.

Kirk

9 years ago

Grove, Minoso and Reuschel

J.R.

9 years ago

Killebrew, Hubbell, Winfield.

Dr. Doom

9 years ago

It hasn’t been THAT long since David’s last update, but I’m going to post another, this one through Kirk’s ballot @87 (30 total ballots):

25 – Lefty Grove
==========================50% (15)
12 – Paul Waner
10 – Carl Hubbell
==========================25% (8)
6 – Gabby Hartnett
5 – Graig Nettles, Luis Tiant
4 – Goose Goslin, Harmon Killebrew
3 – Dennis Eckersley, Minnie Minoso
==========================10% (3)
2 – Kevin Brown, Roy Campanella, Wes Ferrell, Ted Lyons, Rick Reuschel, Dave Winfield
1 – Hack Wilson

bstar

9 years ago

Grove, Hubbell, Eckersley

T-Bone

9 years ago

Reuschel, Hartnett, Grove

oneblankspace

9 years ago

Who needs votes…

H Killebrew
SOA Minoso
T Lyons

Bill Johnson

9 years ago

Grove, Goslin, and Hartnett-

Debated whether to include Killebrew and Eckersley, both of whom I have consistently supported but as my 95 year old baseball loving Dad passed away this week, I went with three players whom he told me about as great- and they were in fact great.

Dr. Doom

9 years ago

Reply to Bill Johnson

Condolences on your loss, and I’m glad you and your dad had baseball to share.

Bill Johnson

9 years ago

Reply to Dr. Doom

Thanks Dr. It was one of many great things he shared with me. A wonderful guy. He watched baseball on TV the day before he died.

Hartvig

9 years ago

Lyons, Ferrell, Campanella

donburgh

9 years ago

Reuschel, Waner, Hartnett

robbs

9 years ago

Grove Nettles Waner

RonG

9 years ago

Grove, Campanella, Hubbell

Dr. Doom

9 years ago

Sunday AM vote update, through 39 ballots (RonG @105): 30 – Lefty Grove* =====================50% (20) 14 – Paul Waner 13 – Carl Hubbell =====================25% (10) 9 – Gabby Hartnett* 6 – Harmon Killebrew, Graig Nettles* 5 – Goose Goslin*, Luis Tiant* 4 – Roy Campanella*, Dennis Eckersley*, Ted Lyons*, Minnie Minoso*, Rick Reuschel =====================10% (4) 3 – Wes Ferrell*, Dave Winfield* 2 – Kevin Brown* 1 – Hack Wilson* Things are looking bad for our #2 active player in votes received, Kevin Brown. Wes Ferrell and Dave Winfield are also below the 10% mark, but the 40th ballot cast, if… Read more »

Hartvig

9 years ago

Reply to Dr. Doom

And now with ballot #40 (BillH @ 108) we only have 2 holdovers (Ferrell, Brown) below the 10% mark but 5 more plus 1 newcomer who are only 1 vote away from back below that level again. At this point they would also all be tied for the top 9 so they would still move forward but a single vote for any of them would also drop the rest out of the top 9. On an unrelated note: I can see your reply to my multiple postings on the Round 90 Results in the Recent Comments feed. I can even… Read more »

Dr. Doom

9 years ago

Reply to Hartvig

Are all of the aforementioned comments still invisible to you? Or have they appeared by now?

Hartvig

9 years ago

Reply to Dr. Doom

Still not there- I can see a comment by David Horwich, a reply from Doug & another comment by David P. that is the one I tried to reply to.

But I can see all of the 156 comments that the ticker says his article has.

No clue as to why that’s happening.

mosc

9 years ago

Reply to Hartvig

Delete the cookies from this site. It fixes the problems temporarily until they re-occur. I think something is wrong with the timestamp on the cookie or how the website is reading it.

Dave Humbert

9 years ago

Reply to Dr. Doom

Kevin Brown supporters, don’t lose hope! I will throw a vote to him later when others in need become more clear. Only a few more votes will get him back in the mix. For strategic voting purposes, Reuschel still has a spare round to lose if need be. Guess Grove/Hubbell are really taking votes away for pitchers this round. May have a “top 9” type of situation for survival coming up.