King Felix: long may he reign?

Felix Hernandez is approaching the 2000 inning milestone. Barring injury, he should get there this season. If he does, he will be just the 21st pitcher of the live ball era to reach that milestone in his age 28 season or younger.

But, what does that portend for the remainder of his career? I’ll consider that question after the jump.

If Hernandez does reach 2000 innings this season, he will be the first to do so aged 28 or younger since Dwight Gooden in 1993, and only the third to do so since 1980. Here’s the list:

Rk Player WAR IP From To Age G GS CG SHO W L W-L% BB SO ERA FIP ERA+ Tm
1 Dwight Gooden 42.2 2128.1 1984 1993 19-28 298 296 67 23 154 81 .655 636 1835 3.04 2.73 118 NYM
2 Fernando Valenzuela 33.2 2144.2 1980 1989 19-28 298 287 102 27 128 103 .554 838 1644 3.19 3.21 111 LAD
3 Bert Blyleven 58.2 2624.2 1970 1979 19-28 353 350 145 39 148 128 .536 711 2082 2.88 2.81 130 MIN-TEX-PIT
4 Vida Blue 34.8 2203.2 1969 1978 19-28 308 297 114 32 142 96 .597 687 1486 2.93 3.08 118 OAK-SFG
5 Joe Coleman 22.5 2191.1 1965 1975 18-28 334 312 91 18 129 118 .522 839 1523 3.67 3.59 97 WSA-DET
6 Larry Dierker 33.6 2097.2 1965 1975 18-28 314 291 99 21 124 102 .549 620 1370 3.25 3.19 105 HOU
7 Ken Holtzman 24.9 2094.1 1965 1974 19-28 309 298 95 24 133 110 .547 611 1316 3.30 3.31 110 CHC-OAK
8 Catfish Hunter 26.6 2456.1 1965 1974 19-28 363 340 116 31 161 113 .588 687 1520 3.13 3.54 105 KCA-OAK
9 Don Sutton 27.5 2014.0 1966 1973 21-28 292 278 89 31 120 104 .536 511 1559 3.02 2.72 110 LAD
10 Sam McDowell 42.3 2109.2 1961 1971 18-28 336 295 97 22 122 109 .528 1072 2159 2.99 2.93 119 CLE
11 Milt Pappas 28.8 2059.1 1957 1967 18-28 331 296 93 31 138 98 .585 608 1206 3.36 3.49 110 BAL-CIN
12 Don Drysdale 49.6 2574.2 1956 1965 19-28 397 344 134 34 164 118 .582 681 1934 2.96 3.07 126 BRO-LAD
13 Robin Roberts 53.3 2311.0 1948 1955 21-28 316 283 181 27 160 102 .611 492 1143 3.02 3.31 131 PHI
14 Hal Newhouser 54.7 2458.1 1939 1949 18-28 378 306 182 31 170 119 .588 1072 1583 2.84 3.01 138 DET
15 Bob Feller 52.8 2128.2 1937 1947 18-28 290 255 175 32 153 80 .657 1083 1760 2.91 3.16 137 CLE
16 Mel Harder 39.2 2184.2 1928 1938 18-28 390 260 122 15 144 116 .554 665 765 3.84 3.89 121 CLE
17 Wes Ferrell 49.5 2125.2 1927 1936 19-28 301 256 189 17 161 96 .626 802 799 3.72 4.07 128 CLE-BOS
18 Larry French 27.1 2001.1 1929 1936 21-28 339 241 136 23 122 102 .545 495 669 3.42 3.88 118 PIT-CHC
19 Red Ruffing 22.1 2051.0 1924 1933 19-28 330 250 144 11 97 136 .416 816 1011 4.27 3.91 97 BOS-NYY
20 Waite Hoyt 36.1 2250.2 1918 1928 18-28 363 266 154 18 155 99 .610 622 721 3.43 3.66 115 NYG-BOS-NYY
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Generated 5/21/2014.

As shown, all of these pitchers compiled at least 20 WAR over the period, including four over 50 WAR and four more over 40 WAR. Their innings track fairly closely to their WAR in that only one of the six with fewer than 2100 IP compiled more than 30 WAR (Dierker), and only two of the others compiled less than 30 WAR (Coleman, Hunter). Four of the 20 pitched over 2450 innings, about two seasons worth of innings above the threshold. The median ERA+ of the group is 118, with 6 of the 20 posting a result better than 125.

Where will Hernandez fit in this group? Felix will be under 2100 innings and will be the first of those under that threshold to compile 40 WAR. His WAR rate of better than 2 WAR per 100 IP puts him in the company of Blyleven, Newhouser, Roberts, Feller, Ferrell and McDowell (4 out of 6 HOFers is a pretty good ratio). Hernandez’s ERA+ will most likely be above 125, joining Drysdale and (again) Ferrell, Blyleven, Roberts, Feller and Newhouser.

How did our group do after age 28?

Rk Player WAR IP From To Age G GS CG SHO GF W L W-L% BB SO ERA FIP ERA+ Tm
1 Don Sutton 41.2 3268.1 1974 1988 29-43 482 478 89 27 3 204 152 .573 832 2015 3.41 3.56 107 LAD-HOU-MIL-OAK-CAL
2 Bert Blyleven 38.3 2345.1 1980 1992 29-41 339 335 97 21 1 139 122 .533 611 1619 3.80 3.62 108 PIT-CLE-MIN-CAL
3 Red Ruffing 33.3 2293.0 1934 1947 29-42 294 288 191 34 4 176 89 .664 725 976 3.38 3.95 123 NYY-CHW
4 Robin Roberts 29.8 2377.2 1956 1966 29-39 360 326 124 18 22 126 143 .468 410 1214 3.78 3.69 99 PHI-HOU-BAL-CHC
5 Milt Pappas 18.0 1126.2 1968 1973 29-34 189 169 36 12 10 71 66 .518 250 522 3.47 3.61 109 CIN-ATL-CHC
6 Waite Hoyt 17.2 1511.2 1929 1938 29-38 311 159 72 8 93 82 83 .497 381 485 3.83 3.92 107 NYY-DET-PHA-NYG-PIT-BRO
7 Larry French 16.8 1150.2 1937 1942 29-34 231 142 63 17 48 75 69 .521 324 518 3.48 3.55 107 CHC-BRO
8 Don Drysdale 11.6 857.1 1966 1969 29-32 121 121 33 15 0 45 48 .484 174 552 2.92 2.87 105 LAD
9 Bob Feller 11.0 1636.1 1948 1956 29-37 266 221 99 12 19 108 79 .578 634 745 3.70 3.89 106 CLE
10 Vida Blue 10.1 1139.2 1979 1986 29-36 194 176 29 5 9 67 65 .508 498 689 3.91 4.11 93 SFG-KCR
11 Catfish Hunter 10.0 993.0 1975 1979 29-33 137 136 65 11 1 63 53 .543 267 492 3.58 3.97 103 NYY
12 Mel Harder 8.7 1241.2 1939 1947 29-37 192 173 59 10 7 79 70 .530 453 396 3.73 3.84 99 CLE
13 Dwight Gooden 6.0 672.1 1994 2000 29-35 132 114 1 1 3 40 31 .563 318 458 4.99 5.22 96 NYM-NYY-CLE-TBD-HOU
14 Hal Newhouser 5.7 534.2 1950 1955 29-34 110 68 30 2 23 37 31 .544 177 213 4.02 4.00 105 DET-CLE
15 Fernando Valenzuela 4.3 785.1 1990 1997 29-36 155 137 11 4 5 45 50 .474 313 430 4.52 4.69 90 LAD-CAL-BAL-PHI-SDP-STL
16 Joe Coleman 2.5 378.0 1976 1979 29-32 150 28 3 0 64 13 17 .433 164 205 3.86 3.97 101 CHC-DET-TOR-OAK-SFG-PIT
17 Ken Holtzman 2.2 773.0 1975 1979 29-33 142 112 32 7 14 41 40 .506 299 285 3.99 4.27 93 OAK-NYY-BAL-CHC
18 Sam McDowell 0.6 382.2 1972 1975 29-32 89 51 6 1 15 19 25 .432 240 294 4.16 3.77 87 SFG-NYY-PIT
19 Larry Dierker 0.5 227.0 1976 1977 29-30 39 37 7 4 1 15 20 .429 88 118 3.85 3.80 86 HOU-STL
20 Wes Ferrell -0.7 497.1 1937 1941 29-33 73 67 38 0 6 32 32 .500 238 186 5.41 4.91 83 WSH-BOS-NYY-BRO-BSN
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Generated 5/21/2014.

Not unexpectedly, less impressive results with just three (and almost a fourth) of the 20 compiling 30 WAR (not coincidentally the same four who compiled another 2000 IP), and half of the 20 registering 10 WAR or less. The median IP is just over 1000 IP, which is perhaps surprisingly low given the durability this group displayed in getting to 2000 IP. Of the elite 5 who posted the best under-29 WAR Rate and ERA+, Blyleven and Roberts had long and successful second halves, Feller had a few more good seasons (but only good), and Newhouser and Ferrell were mostly done, each with only about 500 IP left.

So, will Hernandez be another Blyleven or Roberts. Or, is Newhouser or Ferrell the more likely outcome? As with all recent pitchers, Hernandez has had his workload closely managed, with no seasons of 250 IP (Felix was one out short of that mark in 2010). Everyone in the comparison group has at least one such season by age 28, with a median of 5 seasons. Of the 8 pitchers with 6 seasons or more, all had at least 500 more IP and 5 had more than 1000 IP, including two with over 2000 IP after age 28. Looking at the 8 pitchers with 4 seasons or fewer of 250 IP, three had less than 500 IP left and four had more than 1000, including one with over 2000 IP remaining. So, not obvious from this group that fewer high-inning seasons increased career longevity.

Another factor to consider is “stressful” innings of which Hernandez, owing to Seattle’s mostly anemic offenses, is said to have had more than his fair share. The numbers bear out that surmise with Hernandez logging 144 starts of 7+ IP allowing 3 runs or less, trailing only the leading total of 145 since 2005 by C.C. Sabathia. Hernandez similarly trails by only one the leading mark of 61 by Matt Cain, of such games that the starter did *not* win. Hard to compare a stat like that with pitchers in earlier eras but, for what it’s worth, Hernandez’s 58.3% of such games won is lower than every one of our group of 20, and his 21.4% of all starts that are represented by such games *not* won is similarly higher than every one of our group. Both of those results indicate a pitcher who, despite pitching well, is often pitching in close games with correspondingly higher stress levels in later innings.

What might be most concerning for Seattle, though, is Hernandez’s peak. His two seasons of 6 WAR and 170 ERA+ came at age 23-24. Since then, he’s averaged 4.5 WAR and 118 ERA+. Eleven of the 20 pitchers in our group had a qualifying 140 ERA+ season by age 24, including Mel Harder, the only one like Hernandez to have two such seasons by then. Of those eleven, only Blyleven and Feller recorded 1500 IP after age 28, with 7 of the other 9 below 1000 IP, including three with less than 500 IP. Of those eleven, only Blyleven had a 5 WAR season after age 28 (Bert had four of those), with six failing to record even one season of 4 WAR.

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Voomo Zanzibar
10 years ago

Great research. I was just looking at something similar for Chris Sale Highest WAR Under 600 innings (Sale is at 546) Up to Age 25 18.7 Sale 17.7 Lincecum 14.9 Howie Pollet 14.8 Jon Lester 14.5 Herb Score 14.5 Roy Oswalt 13.6 Frankie K-Rod 12.4 Tim Hudson 12.0 Josh Johnson Bump it up to 700 IP and Sale is still the leader. At 800 IP he trails only Barry Zito (and Sale is at 546). 20.4 (768) Zito 18.7 (546) Sale 18.0 (747) Danks 17.7 (599) Lincecum 17.3 (673) Mussina 16.9 (636) Pettitte 16.7 (777) Mulder 16.0 (718) The Goose… Read more »

Voomo Zanzibar
10 years ago
Reply to  Voomo Zanzibar

The pitchers who maintained less than 30* IP/WAR for a career:

56.6 Mariano Rivera
1.2 Ralph Brickner
1.0 Jimmie Foxx
1.0 Spike Merena

Current:

20.6 Papelbon
18.7 Sale
13.3 Soria
11.3 Uehara
10.2 Kimbrel
7.9 Holland
7.1 Feliz
2.8 Tanaka
2.1 Jake Petricka
1.9 David Hale
1.6 James Paxton
1.0 Francisely Bueno

Voomo Zanzibar
10 years ago
Reply to  Voomo Zanzibar

Sorry, I should clarify that the above stats were for pitchers THROUGH their age 25 season.

Bob Feller, for example, had

19.3 WAR in his first 785 IP
…through his age 20 season.

Hartvig
Hartvig
10 years ago
Reply to  Voomo Zanzibar

I went & checked old Rapid Robert right away and then I went back & looked at your qualifiers so I knew what you were getting at.

And I think the thing that may have surprised me the most about Doug’s article was that Wes Ferrell was finished as an effective pitcher by age 28 (altho he was still a full time starter for 2 more seasons). Make you wonder if he would have been better off trying to switch to being a position player at that point.

mosc
mosc
10 years ago
Reply to  Hartvig

I always think about baseball and it’s economic roll during the pre-war era when things like this come up. You have a guy in Ferrell who was well known to be sure and wasn’t really making much money playing baseball. His salary was likely in the $10-$20k range per year, or about $125k-$250k a year today. It’s a decent living but with fame, you could open up your own business and cash in on your name. Sell cars, grocery, whatever. Ferrell’s bio notes hies real-estate wealth though he continued to manage. I think in an era where guys were so… Read more »

birtelcom
Editor
10 years ago

It’s sad for Felix but I wonder if it helps his later-career survival chances that he has never pitched in the post-season. Might piling up those post-season innings, under intense pressure, often against some of the league’s best-hitting teams, often in challenging weather conditions, and after what has already been a long season, shorten pitching careers? Just a hypothesis.

David Horwich
David Horwich
10 years ago
Reply to  birtelcom

Interesting thought. I suspect it would be hard to prove one way or the other due to small sample sizes, and the difficulty of differentiating postseason stress from the normal wear-and-tear of pitching.

The leaders in postseason innings pitched are, unsurprisingly, almost all of recent vintage:

Pettitte 276.2
Glavine 218.1
Smoltz 209
Clemens 199
Maddux 198
Ford 146
Rivera 141
Mussina 139.2
Schilling 133.1
Stewart 133

And all of them lasted into at least their late 30s. But looking at it this way may be going around in circles: to say “durable pitchers are durable” doesn’t tell us much.

Artie Z.
Artie Z.
10 years ago

On the Smoltz winning the runoff round post I posted a list of hitters who had 60 WAR in their first 6000 or less PAs (as best as I could determine). Well, King Felix has 40 WAR in under 2000 innings, so I figured that is as good a place to start as anywhere else. Pitching, to me, seems “lumpier” than hitting in that pitchers can have one big huge season that pushes them up a great deal, so I’ll supplement this list with pitchers who had 40+ WAR with between 2000-2200 innings. I’ve ordered it by WAR, but one… Read more »

Artie Z.
Artie Z.
10 years ago
Reply to  Doug

There are also still a few more pitchers who could cross the 2600 inning mark from the 1990s. A.J. Burnett probably will, Randy Wolf could, Dempster and Freddy Garcia could possibly come back, Jamey Wright is still active but would likely need about 8 more years given his current relief pitcher role. And Hudson could crack the 3500 inning mark (though he needs 600 innings to do so). I suppose Colon could too, though he’s older and farther away than Hudson. There’s also the other side of mosc’s comment that might help to explain the bump in numbers of the… Read more »

The Goof
10 years ago

So…. Blyleven was the most productive young pitcher of the whole live ball era? You’re burying the lede! Dang, I wish I saw him when he was young.