Sunday game notes: Still a few cards to be dealt

Didn’t have time to sand and polish, but maybe it can be a utility hook to hang some chat on.

Reds 11, @Pirates 3 — Cincinnati sucked the air out of the Pirates’ final scheduled home game, grabbing a 5-0 lead before the Buccos came to bat and going on to seize a tie for for 2nd place in the NL Central. About the only thing Jeff Locke did right in his brief outing was to keep Billy Hamilton off base.

 

Two freebies from the walk-prone lefty stuffed the sacks for Jay Bruce, who cleared them with a first-pitch double, and then rode home on Todd Frazier’s blast. Locke was hooked after that 5-run frame, but Hamilton touched off a second outburst with a bunt hit and his 11th steal in so many tries. Hamilton started in CF due to the thumb sprain Shin-Shoo Choo inflicted on himself Saturday, and wound up with 3 hits, combining with Chris Heisey for 6 knocks and 5 runs as an unaccustomed 1-2 punch atop the Redlegs’ order.

  • Cincinnati evened the season series at 8 wins each, with one last tilt in the Queen City next weekend.
  • Locke had yielded one run over 2 prior starts against the Reds, who are somewhat vulnerable to southpaws.
  • Bruce has 14 RBI the last 6 games (5 Reds wins), and 107 for the year. The only other Red to reach 107 RBI since 2001 is Joey Votto (113 in 2010).
  • The Bucs have treaded water for a long time: They’re 38-37 since the end of June, 24-25 since August started, 10-11 in September.
  • Pittsburgh’s home attendance of 2.26 million is the 2nd-best in franchise history, topped only by the first season in beautiful PNC Park.

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@Rays 3, Orioles 1 — Tampa’s Enny Romero allowed a leadoff hit and then no others in his debut, working past 4 walks but falling one out short of qualifying for the win, when Kelly Johnson kicked a 2-out grounder to let the tying run reach 2nd. Romero had a hand (or at least a glove) in a 1-6-3 on Chris Davis to end the opening frame, and leadoff man David DeJesus gave the rookie a lead with a blast at the end of a 10-pitch at-bat, his first Rays homer. Baltimore’s second hit came with 2 outs in the 9th; they got on the board and got the tying run to bat against Fernando Rodney, but J.J. Hardy flied to center, and left their hopes on life-support.

  • Ten hits and 2 runs by Baltimore in their last 29 innings.
  • Not like the old days: Debuting as a starter in the heat of a playoff race?

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@Indians 9, Astros 2 — Cleveland’s 3-run 4th flipped a 2-0 deficit, with 2-out, 2-strike RBI hits by Michael Brantley and Mike Aviles. Their 4-run 6 socked it away, with Brantley in the mix again, as the Tribe opened a game-and-a-half lead on Texas for the 2nd wild card.

  • Corey Kluber went 5.1 innings, but Terry Francona used 7 relievers for the last 11 outs, although none allowed a run and Cleveland had a 5-run lead after the 6th. It tied the known record for scoreless relief outings of 4 batters or less in a regulation win.
  • Chris Carter hit his 29th HR. Houston hasn’t had a 30-HR man since Lance Berkman, 2007.

Please, let’s hear no whimpers about Cleveland’s easy schedule down the stretch. Texas wouldn’t be in the race without their 14-2 record against Houston, or their 22-6 run from July 29 through August 28, with all but 4 of those games against losing teams. They finished August losing 2 of 3 at home to Minnesota, and then had ample chance this month to gain ground on the A’s, but dropped 5 of 6 (swept at home). As for who’s the better team, Cleveland won that season series, 5 to 1. The other wild-card chasers all had chances, too: Baltimore just lost 3 straight to Tampa, when wins would have put them in the driver’s seat, and they lost 2 of 3 to Cleveland earlier this month. The Royals have staged an admirable recovery, but losing 7 straight at home last month (5 to the Marlins and White Sox) made the mountain too high. And the Yankees, even with all their floundering against Boston, still would have been in decent shape had they gone 5-1 last week against the Jays and Giants (instead of 3-3), given their upcoming series with Tampa. They all had chances; Cleveland has made the most of theirs.

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@Royals 4, Rangers 0 (10 inn.) — Justin Maxwell’s grand slam off Joakim Soria, on a full count with 2 outs, closed out K.C.’s home schedule in style by clinching their first winning season in 10 years and keeping their longshot playoff hopes alive. The loss for Texas was a major blow, as they fell 1.5 games (one loss) behind Cleveland; their last 7 games are at home, but they have no chance to affect the Rays or Indians.

James Shields and Alexi Ogando matched zeroes until the Ranger stepped aside in the home 8th. Texas threatened in the 1st, but Salvador Perez threw out Elvis Andrus stealing 3rd. Maxwell helped Shields through the 2nd with a diving catch; the Royals’ ace worked past a leadoff double in the 4th, Perez gunned down another to end the 5th, and David Murphy struck out with a man on 2nd to end the 7th. Meanwhile, Ogando had the Royals’ number. They only got one man to 2nd base, on a sac bunt in the 3rd, and that ended with infield outs. Ogando whiffed the side in the 5th, and departed after 7 having allowed just two singles.

Top of the 9th, Texas got a break when Greg Holland’s third strike escaped Perez, letting Alex Rios on with no one out. Rios swiped 2nd on the next pitch, but then he got too greedy, trying to advance on Adrian Beltre’s deep flyout to left. Rios spent the last few years in the AL Central, so you would have thought he’d know a little something about Alex Gordon’s arm.

Eric Hosmer led off K.C.’s 10th with an opposite-field double, and Soria came on to give Billy Butler a pass. Perez beat out a SS grounder, and the bags were full. But Mike Moustakas popped out foul, and George Kottaras hit into a 4-2 forceout. That left it all to Maxwell, who’d struck out in his last two trips and had just 9 ABs in the last 2 weeks. He swung through Soria’s first offer, watched the next four as the count ran full, then sent a pipeline fastball soaring.

  • Maxwell has 2 career game-winning hits, both 2-out, full-count slams. Mets fans might recall the other one: The 0.730 WPA Maxwell garnered in that game is the most ever against the Mets by a player who entered as a pinch-runner, and has not been topped since in MLB.
  • Have to agree with David Schoenfield’s take on that 9th inning: “[Ron] Washington, of course, chose option C: Bring in your fourth-best reliever, Joakim Soria.
  • They’re all “must-wins” for K.C. now, still 3 losses behind Cleveland.

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Giants 2, @Yankees 1 — The pieces were in place for a storybook end to Andy Pettitte’s days in Yankee Stadium. The pregame ceremonies were for Mariano Rivera, but once the rocking chair came off the field and the spike-shod lads went on, it was Andy’s spotlight. He punched out two in the opening stanza, and set down the first 14 Giants before a 2-out walk to Pablo Sandoval. Pettitte took a no-hitter and a 1-0 lead into the 6th, thanks to Mark Reynolds’s homer in the 3rd, and there were some who dared to remember Yogi Berry Day. But Ehire Adrianza busted that all up with a tying blast on a 2-2 hanger, his first home run. New York left 2 on in their 6th, and blew a golden chance in the stretch frame, as Javier Lopez struck out both Vernon Wells and Ichiro Suzuki with 2 in scoring position.

The Giants’ second hit was Panda’s leadoff double in the 8th, sending Andy off with fitting fanfare. David Robertson would have given anything to keep that run off Pettitte’s ledger, but Tony Abreu timed a breaking pitch and doubled to the RF corner for the lead. Rivera came on and got the last 2 outs of that inning to keep the score at 2-1.

A-Rod’s hit started off the home 8th, and Robinson Cano doubled the pinch-runner over to 3rd with no outs. But they could not score: A hot shot to 3rd was corralled, and the late-starting Zoilo Almonte cut down at home (see 2:15 here), while Cano held passively at 2nd. Curtis Granderson struck out on 3 pitches, his third whiff in an 0-4 day. With 2 down, Eduardo Nunez singled into left, but Juan Perez threw Cano out at the plate. Mo worked out of trouble in the 9th, collecting a DP on Pence after Cano’s errant throw left 2 on base with no outs. But New York had the bottom of the order in their last gasp, and rookie catcher J.R. Murphy struck out to end the game.

  • It’s the first time in 19 chances that Pettitte took a loss when allowing 2 hits or less.
  • Pettitte is now 41-15 in 80 starts where he let in exactly 2 runs. I expected better. He’s actually won more often when allowing exactly 3 runs (50-21 in 89 games).
  • For what it’s worth, the two 1-0 wins that Rivera has saved for Pettitte were on 1998-04-27 and 1999-08-07.
  • With so many other angles to this game, I almost overlooked a small detail: the second meeting of Pettitte and Petit. Andy got the better of their first go, with 7 scoreless innings and a ribby hit that knocked Yusmeiro out.
  • Another thing: It was Andy’s 4th and final chance to beat the Giants, the only one of the 29 teams he has pitched against without a win. He never did get a chance to go against the Yankees, who were not on Houston’s interleague schedule during Pettitte’s 3 years there and missed their chance to greet him in the 2005 World Series.
  • I’m not a Yankees fan, so maybe this is not my place. But the term “Core Four” seems somewhat demeaning towards guys like Bernie Williams, Paul O’Neill and David Cone, who helped start the franchise turnaround — especially so to the homegrown Williams. I know the term stems from the fact that Derek, Andy, Mo and Jorge all debuted in 1995, and that no slight is meant to anyone. It still winds up seeming rude to Bernie, who frankly played a much bigger role in the dynasty than did Posada.

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Braves 5, @Cubs 2As it was in the beginning … Way back on Opening Day, Freddie Freeman’s 2-run HR scored Jason Heyward with Atlanta’s first runs of the season, a lead they’d not relinquish. And so it was again, on the day Atlanta formally donned the division crown that they have carried in their luggage for the last two months. Heyward led off the game with his first hit since August 17, and after Justin Upton’s 156th strikeout, Freeman bombed the first pitch out of sight, tying his career high with HR #23. The Braves were never headed, as 22-year-old Julio Teheran tossed 6 efficient innings (7 Ks, no walks) for his 13th win, while lifting his SO/BB ratio to 3.71, the best by a qualified Brave under age 25.

  • Craig Kimbrel fanned three in save #49, 13th-most in MLB history. But he allowed 2 hits for the first time since August 16, as his BA allowed soared all the way to .169.
  • Andrelton Simmons popped home runs nos. 16 and 17, tying Jeff Blauser for 2nd-best by a Braves SS. Denis Menke hit 20 in 1964.
  • J. Upton’s 156 Ks tied Dan Uggla (2011) for #3 in franchise history. Uggla holds the top 2 marks, 168 last year and 165 this year.
  • Edwin Jackson is the first Cub with 17 losses since 1999, Steve Trachsel. Before that, Rick Reuschel, 1975. Jackson’s come by the mark fairly, with a 7.27 RA/9 in his losses — 7th-worst of the 24 searchable Cubs seasons of 17+ losses.

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@Athletics 11, Twins 7Oswaldo Arcia joined the exclusive fraternity of 129 searchable players who ever had 6 RBI in a loss. I also heard something about the A’s repeating themselves….

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Mets 4, @Phillies 3 — Two hits in the MLB debut of Mets SS Wilfredo Tovar, joining Jose Reyes and Kaz Matsui in the franchise annals at that position.

Since 2010, Cliff Lee has started 120 games, and walked 120 batters. He would be the 10th modern pitcher with a 4-year stretch of 100+ starts and no more walks than starts (listed by most starts in the span, one span per pitcher):

  1. Cy Young, 1901-04 (160 GS, 156 BB)
  2. Christy Mathewson, 1911-14 (141, 116)
  3. Greg Maddux
    , 2005-08 (136, 128)
  4. Brad Radke, 2003-06 (126, 109)
  5. Carlos Silva, 2004-07 (124, 112)
  6. David Wells, 2002-05 (122, 106)
  7. Cliff Lee, 2010-13 (120, 120)
  8. Bob Tewksbury, 1991-94 (118, 100)
  9. Jon Lieber
    , 2001-05 (117, 112; out all of 2003)
  10. Babe Adams
    , 1919-22 (101, 74)

Silva was the youngest to do this, ages 25-28. No other pitcher did it younger than ages 28-31 (Maddux & Radke). The most frequent age ranges are 30-33 (Mathewson, Maddux, Radke and Tewksbury) and 31-34 (Young, Mathewson, Lee and Tewksbury). Wells was the oldest, ages 41-44; he and Maddux both did it at 40-43.

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A further flaw of the “closer” concept — besides its failure to improve the save conversion rate over prior usage patterns — is the expectation of esteem and deference that oft arises in a pitcher of pedestrian ability who lucks into that job.

On the other hand, anyone might have conniptions hearing that his prestige job would soon be shared with this guy.

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Doug
Editor
11 years ago

The BB/9 for the group with 4 years of no more than one walk per start ranged from a low of 0.8 for Cy Young and Babe Adams, to a high of 1.4 for Greg Maddux. Cliff Lee is 1.2.

Ed
Ed
11 years ago

John – I’m a bit confused by the comment that Bernie played a “much bigger” role in the Yankees dynasty than Posada. In terms of WAR, Bernie has a slight lead 49.5 vs. 42.7. But once you take into account that it’s generally harder for a catcher to accumulate WAR, I’d say it’s even or even a slight advantage for Posada. Even if you want to favor Bernie based on his higher WAR, an advantage of 6.8 over roughly 15 seasons doesn’t seem to work with the phrase “much bigger”. What am I missing? I do agree that the idea… Read more »

Darien
11 years ago
Reply to  Ed

My guess as to why people refer to the “Core Four” of that Yankees dynasty: “Core Five” doesn’t rhyme.

bells
bells
11 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

Do mine eyes deceive me? Is this John Autin using WPA to argue players’ value?

For the record, I am skeptical of WPA as a measure, but certainly in limited sample of postseason play and such a huge disparity, I think it’s a pretty good stat to bring up. I just can’t see JA use WPA as a support without feeling shock.

While I’m here, I might as well add that in terms of the Yanks’ “dynasty” I definitely think 95-04, and definitely associate Bernie more strongly with it than Jorge.

Ed
Ed
11 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

Two points John: 1) Obviously it’s up to you to decide that the Yankees dynasty collapsed after 2004. But from everything I’ve seen getting to the post season is a major accomplishment. Everything that happens after that is a complete crap shoot. And certainly not dependent on the actions of one particular player. So from my perspective, drawing the line at 2004 is a bit arbitrary. 2) I’m certainly not an expert on WPA but from what I’ve read it’s extremely context dependent and not that different from something like RBIs. So saying that Bernie contributed more due to his… Read more »

Ed
Ed
11 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

John: Fair enough re: WPA. But to argue that one did “much better” than the other is, in my opinion, going too far. We’re talking about an .850 OPS vs .745. That’s not a big difference. And we’re talking about a centerfielder vs. a catcher. Granted, Posada wasn’t very good defensively but Williams was even worse. So you’re really going to say that a poor defensive centerfielder with a .850 OPS did “much better” than a mediocre defensive catcher with a .745 OPS? And keep in mind that Posada was probably worn out by the end of the season from… Read more »

bstar
11 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

Doesn’t that list just prove that the players who tend to hit better in the clutch are the players who hit better overall? “Over a significant number of games, WPA is a good measure.” A good measure of what…clutchiness? Don’t we know clutch players don’t really exist, that it’s not a skill a player can possess long-term? So why track it cumulatively? We know players can’t control when they hit home runs. Sometimes they come with the team up 10-0 and sometimes they come in the bottom of the ninth to win a game. WPA treats these two events very,… Read more »

Ed
Ed
11 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

Adding to Bstar’s points…of course there’s a strong correlation between WPA and offensive WAR. The best hitters hit near the top of the lineup and therefore have the most chances to accumulate WPA.

birtelcom
Editor
11 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

bstar, I’m very skeptical that a “clutch” talent exists, but “clutch” performance certainly exists, and WPA adds the measurement of clutch performance on top of the measurement of context-free performance, and I think that can be useful even in cumulative form, albeit for historical, not predictive, purposes. Ed @ comment #10: WPA seems to me to have at least two big advantages over RBI: First, WPA penalizes negative clutch performance to the same degree it rewards positive clutch performance. RBI totals go in only one direction, up, so there is a very heavy advantage for those who get more opportunities.… Read more »

bells
bells
11 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

@bstar #17,

“Doesn’t that list just prove that the players who tend to hit better in the clutch are the players who hit better overall?”

Yes, but wouldn’t that correlation support JA’s assertion that Bernie Williams was ‘better’ than Jorge Posada in the postseason? I think that was the original point, and nothing in the follow-up post seems to contradict that. I haven’t ever seen a measure postseason oWAR (or any WAR, for that matter), so something that correlates with it as a catch-all measure could be useful.

bstar
11 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

bells: Yes, we should expect Bernie to be better in the clutch than Jorge (offensively) because he was better than Posada overall. I wasn’t really responding to the Yankee side of this argument but instead took issue with JA suggesting it can be used as a measure/substitute for offensive WAR (positional adjustment included? What does that have to do with hitting?) But if I were to respond, where’s the defensive contributions of Posada/Bernie in the postseason? WPA offers no help there. (Posada 1996-2004: +3.3 dWAR, Bernie 1996-2004: -9.1 dWAR) All those flyballs that went over Bernie’s head in the postseason… Read more »

Voomo Zanzibar
Voomo Zanzibar
11 years ago
Reply to  Ed

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I’m so nauseated by the feeling of the season being over for the yankees that i can barely read.

At least my other team (giants) put the fork in.
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Agreed, JA, regarding Bernie.
He was rather unceremoniously de-Yankeed, and here’s his numbers from 1996-2000 :

.324 .410 .551 .960 145

Dr. Remulak
Dr. Remulak
11 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

Fab Five, not Core Four. Bernie was as instrumental to the dynasty as anyone. I cringed with each “Core Four” reference on Mariano Day as poor Bernie stood out there, no doubt thinking “what about me?”

Doug
Editor
11 years ago

The list of firsts for Billy Hamilton continues to grow.
– 12 steals in first 10 games (breaks record of 11 by Alex Cole)
– 4 steals in first start
– 3 hits and 2 steals in each of first two starts
– 6 consecutive PR appearances with a stolen base (most for any point in career)

CursedClevelander
CursedClevelander
11 years ago
Reply to  Doug

Wow, Alex Cole. Haven’t heard that name for a while. Things have certainly improved for my Tribe since 1991. In 1991, following Cole’s promising 1990 season (after trading catcher Tom Lampkin for Cole in July, he put up a .300/.397/.357 line in 63 games/253 PAs with 40 steals and 9 CS), the Tribe moved the fences back at Municipal Stadium to accommodate the speedy Cole. Of course, in typical Indians fashion, Cole had a relatively disappointing season, stealing only 27 bags (17 CS) and hitting fewer triples than he did in that 1990 half-season. Meanwhile, a young power-hitting OF prospect… Read more »

birtelcom
Editor
11 years ago

Pettitte has been pinned with 2 losses in a row while allowing 2 or fewer runs. Last time that happened to a Yankee starter: El Duque Hernandez lost two such games in a row back in May, 2000. I don’t remember people ever referring to Jeter/Pettitte/Posada/Rivera as a group of four while Bernie was still playing — they were as I remember always considered as a group of five, when they were thought of as a group. I think the current references to just the four, which strikes me as sounding wrong every time I hear it, is classic ahistorical,… Read more »

Mike L
Mike L
11 years ago

I always saw them as five, and the “core four” more as a slogan than a reality. And I agree with John A. Bernie was a better and certainly a more consistent player than Posada. In his prime, Bernie could flat out hit. During an eight year stretch, his worst slashline was .307/.392/.487 with an OPS+ of 129 and he scored over 100 runs seven straight seasons. He was one of the worst base runners I have ever seen. I have to say that there is a season for everything (sorry about that) and this is the right time for… Read more »

mosc
mosc
11 years ago
Reply to  Mike L

His 4 seamer and cutter have very different movement on them. He is a textbook 2-pitch reliever. Just that both of his pitches have velocity and the same delivery. The thing I hate most about the Rivera love people have given is that they don’t understand this basic fact about how he made a living.

Mike L
Mike L
11 years ago
Reply to  mosc

@20, Mosc, I did not mean to imply that Mo can throw only one pitch, although he does throw it more than 80% of the time. As to the rest, I’ll stand by what I wrote, lack of understanding of the big picture not withstanding.

mosc
mosc
11 years ago
Reply to  Mike L

I disagree he throws it more than 80% of the time. He throws a majority of 4sfb’s to right handed hitters and a majority of cutters to left handed hitters. I would expect his overall percentage of the two would be more like 50/50. He favors the cutter but most hitters he faces are right handed. He also throws a 2sfb to righties on occasion though I’ve seen outings where he doesn’t seem to use it. To the more casual fain, he throws only fastballs and his fastball often cuts, so therefor (incorrectly) he throws only cutters. I understand it,… Read more »

Mike L
Mike L
11 years ago
Reply to  mosc

Mosc, here’s a quote from an article in Fangraphs from December 28, 2011
“There is no doubt that Rivera relies on his cutter to get hitters out. According to Pitch f/x, 87.3 percent of his 2011 offerings were cutters. In 2010, that number was 84.9, while in 2009 it was 92.9.”

The article can be found at http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/mariano-rivera-thinking-mans-cutter/

mosc
mosc
11 years ago
Reply to  mosc

Mike, I guess I disagree with their data then. I think they include his 4sfb as a cutter with little break. That’s probably just two different ways of saying the same thing.

RJ
RJ
11 years ago

Juan Perez’s defence has been a minor bright spot this year: 6 assists in only 27 games (183 innings).

mosc
mosc
11 years ago

It’s always been 5 homegrown all-stars carrying the yankees into the post season year after year which includes Williams. The “core 4” thing is very much about the return of Andy Pettitte in 2007 and not much else. It was a marketing thing that caught on with folks who probably don’t remember the 1996 season. If anything, it shows that the yankee dynasty was dead before 2007 and they were trying to market the past when Andy returned in 2007. Andy left in 2004, Williams was a below average outfielder after that, and Soriano who was traded for Arod the… Read more »

birtelcom
Editor
11 years ago

With the Nats now down to a maximum 89 wins this season, and five other NL teams already with 90 or more wins to date, another season goes by with MLB never having had a World Series between two “expansion franchises” (i.e., franchises founded after 1901). All five NL post-season entrants will be members of the “original 16” franchises that date back at least to 1901 when the AL joined the NL as the second recognized major league. Indeed, if the season ended now, nine of the 10 post-season spots would be going to members of the “original 16” franchises… Read more »

mosc
mosc
11 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

I think this is well researched and discussed in the recent history of the Yankees. The answer is no, the Yankees did not move. BBREF is incorrect. There was no affiliation between the 1903+ New York Highlanders and the 1901/1902 Baltimore Orioles. As such, I do feel birtelcom’s comments are somewhat incorrect. It’s probably better to say the original 16 teams in 1903. The Browns (later Baltimore Orioles) weren’t in St. Louis until 1902 either though I think that one is considered a move by the Orioles. The 1902 Baltimore Orioles simply folded and not even between seasons. The NL… Read more »

e pluribus munu
e pluribus munu
11 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

This has been discussed here before, and I think the problem is that the right answer is in the middle. mosc’s point about the mid-season desertion of McGraw and crew (with Robinson following) is accurate, but to determine “team moved” vs. “new team,” you really have to look at the “inventory” from the end of one season to the start of the next. The Highlanders started 1903 with two of the three most used starting pitchers from the ’02 Orioles, one full-season regular (at 2B), and a few others. Clearly, the Highlanders were allocated a significant share of the AL… Read more »

mosc
mosc
11 years ago

Isn’t it unlikely that a starting second basemen on a 1902 franchise that died wouldn’t be able to get a job in 1903? Especially with this brand new franchise starting up in New York. Seems like they might want him pretty badly too.

I mean, seeing a few players move from a dieing club to a brand new club should be expected.

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
11 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

After reading Chapter One of the book “Pinstripe Empire” it looks to me like the Highlanders are not a derivative of the Orioles. Ban Johnson, who never really wanted a Baltimore team in the AL, was a moving force in the demise of the Orioles and the establishing of a team in New York.

mosc
mosc
11 years ago

The League wanted 8 teams (there was already a drop in average NL talent after the AL founding), they didn’t want a franchise in Baltimore, and they wanted a team in New York City. The license to the 8th AL franchise moved maybe, but that’s not a team moving. In every modern move we think of there’s more to it than that. It’s hard to find anything linking the 1902 Orioles and the 1903 Highlanders besides the fact that they both played with the same seven other franchises in the AL.

e pluribus munu
e pluribus munu
11 years ago

With a little more time this evening, I discovered that the description of the shift in Francis Richter’s 1914 history is more detailed than I had realized. On a previous page, Richter says (adding the emphasis): “In mid-season, John J. McGraw, chief stockholder and manager of the Baltimore Club, sold out his club to the National League, transferring himself and most of his players to the New York club. The American League, however, averted disaster by placing *another team* in Baltimore to finish the season.” (I added the emphasis because Richter uses the phrase “another team” here, but not in… Read more »

oneblankspace
oneblankspace
11 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

This also brings up the question of 1916 on the North Side of Chicago. The 1916 Cubs played in the ballpark used by the 1915 Whales of the Federal League, with a roster that featured 11 Cubs from 1915 and 14 Whales, with a manager and owner coming from the Whales. (The 1915 Cubs played on the West Side.)

I looked at this in more detail in April of 2011 on my (low-frequency) sports blog:

http://goo.gl/a1SrC

e pluribus munu
e pluribus munu
11 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

Apropos of not much: Pete Reiser told Donald Honig in the 1970s that after the ’41 World Series, Larry MacPhail was so upset that he took steps to trade the entire Dodger team to the St. Louis Browns if $3-4 million were kicked in, which the Browns ownership couldn’t raise.

birtelcom
Editor
11 years ago

Here are an interesting few sentences that I found as I was taking a look at some New York Times archive articles from 1902-1903 that cover the AL’s move from Baltimore to New York. In a January 11, 1903 Times story filed from Cincinnati that discusses at some length the newly achieved peace agreement between the AL and NL, there is a reference to one issue that still remained to be resolved: “Among the issues informally discussed to-day was the expected interchange of championship games [i.e., regular season games] between all teams of the National and American Leagues, so that… Read more »

oneblankspace
oneblankspace
11 years ago
Reply to  birtelcom

The next thing you know, you’ll be telling us that the DH was an idea proposed by the National League when Ruth and Gehrig were still playing.

What?

http://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/December_11

no statistician but
no statistician but
11 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

JA:

In support of your point #2—the other fourteen games were started, I believe, by the current Yankee manager, a guy who was certainly not in the lineup because his bat was preferred to Posada’s.

Ed
Ed
11 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

John – I was fully prepared to write how it was stupid of Francona to use Giambi rather than Chisenhall (who’s been hitting well and hits righties decently).