Raúl Ibañez: it’s not how you start, but how you finish

Raul IbanezHis heroics in the 2012 post-season were not enough to keep Raul Ibanez on Brian Cashman’s radar, so Raul packed his bags and returned home, so to speak, to Seattle. Ibanez has spent the larger part of his career in the Great Northwest, including most of his career peak at age 34-37.

A career peak at age 34-37? You read it right. Ibanez just keeps getting better with age, including this season, already one of the better seasons ever for players in their forties. More on Raul’s unusual career after the jump.

Ibanez was first drafted by Texas in 1991 but did not sign, so returned to the amateur draft and was selected by Seattle as a 20 year-old in the 36th round in 1992. Raul had his major league debut 4 years later but was only a part-time player in 5 seasons with the Mariners, totaling just 518 PA with 73 OPS+ through the 2000 season.

In 2001, Ibanez signed as a free agent with the Royals where he first played as a regular, including a 24 HR, 103 RBI, 122 OPS+ season as a 30 year-old in 2002, those totals almost matching his career marks prior to that season.

Year Age Tm G PA R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+
1996-2001 24-29 SEAKCR 335 830 103 193 33 7 27 112 68 137 .255 .317 .424 .741 89
2002 30 KCR 137 544 70 146 37 6 24 103 40 76 .294 .346 .537 .883 122
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Generated 7/9/2013.

Despite that career year at age 30, Ibanez’s totals through age 29 did not augur well for compiling notable career marks. Here are the career records for players comparable to Ibanez in HR, RBI and OPS+ through age 29.

Rk Player WAR OPS+ From To Age G PA R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS
1 Randy Velarde 24.9 101 1987 2002 24-39 1273 4813 633 1171 214 23 100 445 463 853 .276 .352 .408 .760
2 Raul Ibanez 21.6 113 1996 2013 24-41 2014 7773 1013 1949 403 48 293 1167 655 1253 .277 .339 .474 .812
3 Eddie Bressoud 16.9 96 1956 1967 24-35 1186 4105 443 925 184 40 94 365 359 723 .252 .319 .401 .719
4 Gregg Zaun 13.8 91 1995 2010 24-39 1232 4042 437 878 194 9 88 446 479 544 .252 .344 .388 .732
5 Bill Robinson 7.7 104 1966 1983 23-40 1472 4730 536 1127 229 29 166 641 263 820 .258 .300 .438 .738
6 Chad Kreuter 7.6 84 1988 2003 23-38 944 2932 289 593 123 8 54 274 361 593 .237 .335 .357 .692
7 Pat Collins 6.8 98 1919 1929 22-32 543 1474 146 306 46 6 33 168 235 202 .254 .378 .385 .762
8 Don Drysdale 5.8 45 1956 1969 19-32 547 1309 96 218 26 7 29 113 60 370 .186 .228 .295 .523
9 Steve Lombardozzi 4.3 77 1985 1990 25-30 446 1437 153 294 61 12 20 107 131 206 .233 .307 .347 .654
10 Bob Coluccio 3.9 88 1973 1978 21-26 370 1258 141 241 38 15 26 114 128 202 .220 .305 .353 .658
11 Jerome Walton 3.7 92 1989 1998 23-32 598 1761 241 423 77 8 25 132 138 280 .269 .333 .376 .708
12 Kevin Orie 3.2 85 1997 2002 24-29 316 1146 117 253 64 6 22 116 94 163 .249 .320 .389 .709
13 Mark Bailey 2.5 93 1984 1992 22-30 340 1126 101 209 37 1 24 101 166 222 .220 .337 .337 .674
14 Chuck Workman 2.4 91 1938 1946 23-31 526 1959 213 423 57 7 50 230 161 202 .242 .311 .368 .679
15 Brad Komminsk 2.2 76 1983 1991 22-30 376 1119 140 215 37 5 23 105 114 258 .218 .301 .336 .637
16 Terry Crowley 2.1 104 1969 1983 22-36 865 1768 174 379 62 1 42 229 222 181 .250 .345 .375 .720
17 Angel Mangual 2.1 83 1969 1976 22-29 450 1318 122 304 44 8 22 125 59 187 .245 .279 .346 .625
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His modest WAR total notwithstanding, Ibanez is easily the class of the group above. His improving fortunes starting at age 30 can be gauged from the table below, showing Ibanez’s rankings among all players since 1901.

Age 2B HR RBI OPS+ (min PA)
thru 29 2880 1617 2471 1949  (750)
30+ 12 27 12  182   (3000)
35+ 12 12 13    71   (1500)
40+ 38 8 25     8    (500)
Career 158 141 156  350   (5000)
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Ibanez had his career peak aged 34-37, with his top 3 OPS+ and RBI seasons in those years, 4 of his top 5 seasons in OPS+, HR and RBI, and 4 of his top 8 doubles seasons including his career best. Here’s where he stands at that age among all players since 1901.

Rk Player HR OPS+ PA From To G R H 2B 3B RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS Tm
1 Barry Bonds 202 221 2317 1999 2002 541 466 545 111 10 436 565 279 .318 .489 .748 1.237 SFG
2 Mark McGwire 196 180 2027 1998 2001 494 356 425 54 1 431 427 492 .272 .429 .683 1.112 STL
3 Babe Ruth 182 206 2515 1929 1932 558 540 713 98 23 607 466 234 .355 .478 .699 1.177 NYY
4 Rafael Palmeiro 176 146 2729 1999 2002 631 395 659 126 4 496 405 330 .290 .397 .580 .977 TEX
5 Andres Galarraga 163 128 2617 1995 1998 609 431 705 126 10 517 189 590 .302 .369 .574 .943 COL-ATL
6 Hank Aaron 158 168 2486 1968 1971 596 382 654 111 11 419 296 230 .302 .385 .583 .968 ATL
7 Mike Schmidt 141 150 2547 1984 1987 616 367 611 111 9 431 351 397 .284 .384 .541 .925 PHI
8 Johnny Mize 135 145 2097 1947 1950 515 353 523 80 6 399 251 124 .286 .376 .557 .933 NYG-TOT-NYY
9 Willie Mays 134 155 2384 1965 1968 598 384 608 92 14 364 264 325 .290 .369 .540 .909 SFG
10 Hank Sauer 127 128 2278 1951 1954 542 325 545 84 13 373 242 293 .272 .353 .516 .869 CHC
11 Jim Thome 118 136 1990 2005 2008 481 306 423 80 0 325 338 487 .261 .391 .530 .921 PHI-CHW
12 Edgar Martinez 118 158 2623 1997 2000 604 376 707 147 3 441 418 376 .328 .438 .563 1.002 SEA
13 Jason Giambi 115 139 1992 2005 2008 506 265 399 66 1 335 334 392 .253 .401 .516 .916 NYY
14 Gary Sheffield 115 144 2203 2003 2006 502 369 571 99 3 401 269 230 .303 .394 .542 .936 ATL-NYY
15 Jeff Kent 115 131 2477 2002 2005 576 375 661 151 11 413 212 367 .298 .362 .531 .893 SFG-HOU-LAD
16 Ellis Burks 115 146 2012 1999 2002 504 322 524 97 6 357 231 328 .301 .384 .562 .946 SFG-CLE
17 Dave Kingman 113 105 2156 1983 1986 549 229 455 65 1 332 161 416 .233 .292 .442 .733 NYM-OAK
18 Ken Griffey 112 122 1998 2004 2007 464 274 478 91 1 317 222 337 .274 .354 .519 .874 CIN
19 Raul Ibanez 111 125 2607 2006 2009 604 361 670 143 16 431 238 441 .287 .353 .505 .857 SEA-PHI
20 Manny Ramirez 111 153 2212 2006 2009 520 327 572 120 5 374 329 399 .312 .419 .564 .983 BOS-TOT-LAD
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For age 34-37, Ibanez ranks 19th in HR (as shown above), 7th in RBI and 11th in doubles. For ages 30-39, Ibanez and career doubles king Tris Speaker are the only players to go 10 for 10 in 30 double seasons.

I mentioned that this season for Ibanez, even before the A-S break, is already among the better ones for players in their forties. Here are the best OPS+ seasons (min. 250 PA) for the over 40 crowd.

Rk Player OPS+ PA Year Age Tm G R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS
1 Ted Williams 190 390 1960 41 BOS 113 56 98 15 0 29 72 75 41 .316 .451 .645 1.096
2 Barry Bonds 169 477 2007 42 SFG 126 75 94 14 0 28 66 132 54 .276 .480 .565 1.045
3 Willie Mays 158 537 1971 40 SFG 136 82 113 24 5 18 61 112 123 .271 .425 .482 .907
4 Barry Bonds 156 493 2006 41 SFG 130 74 99 23 0 26 77 115 51 .270 .454 .545 .999
5 Carlton Fisk 155 298 1988 40 CHW 76 37 70 8 1 19 50 37 40 .277 .377 .542 .919
6 Raul Ibanez 143 271 2013 41 SEA 67 35 66 7 2 22 51 17 66 .260 .306 .563 .869
7 Edgar Martinez 141 603 2003 40 SEA 145 72 146 25 0 24 98 92 95 .294 .406 .489 .895
8 Dave Winfield 138 670 1992 40 TOR 156 92 169 33 3 26 108 82 89 .290 .377 .491 .867
9 Brian Downing 138 391 1992 41 TEX 107 53 89 18 0 10 39 62 58 .278 .407 .428 .835
10 Moises Alou 137 360 2007 40 NYM 87 51 112 19 1 13 49 27 30 .341 .392 .524 .916
11 Stan Musial 137 505 1962 41 STL 135 57 143 18 1 19 82 64 46 .330 .416 .508 .924
12 Harold Baines 136 486 1999 40 TOT 135 62 134 18 1 25 103 54 48 .312 .387 .533 .919
13 Carlton Fisk 136 419 1989 41 CHW 103 47 110 25 2 13 68 36 60 .293 .356 .475 .830
14 Darrell Evans 135 609 1987 40 DET 150 90 128 20 0 34 99 100 84 .257 .379 .501 .880
15 Carlton Fisk 134 521 1990 42 CHW 137 65 129 21 0 18 65 61 73 .285 .378 .451 .829
16 Ty Cobb 134 574 1927 40 PHA 133 104 175 32 7 5 93 67 12 .357 .440 .482 .921
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Of course, it remains to be seen whether Ibanez can maintain his current pace for the remainder of the season. Most likely he will tail off to some degree, but here’s what he’s tracking towards.

Rk Player OPS+ PA Year Age Tm G R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS
6 Raul Ibanez 143 493 2013 41 SEA 122 64 120 13 4 40 93 31 120 .260 .306 .563 .869
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That projected 40 home run total easily tops Darrell Evans’ record of 34 in 1987, and would move Ibanez to 3rd on the home runs aged 40+ list, behind only Fisk and Evans. The projected RBI total would be the most ever aged 41+, and would move Ibanez to 15th on the RBI aged 40+ list, just ahead of Barry Bonds.

Earlier this season, Ibanez passed the 1000 run and 400 double milestones. Barring injury, he should reach 300 HR before the end of the year, and has a shot at getting to 2000 hits and 1200 RBI. How many players have all 5 marks on their resumes – only 61 since 1901. Not bad company for a guy with career marks of 89 OPS+ and fewer than 1000 PA as he entered his age 30 season.

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Andy
Admin
11 years ago

He would be a good subject for a podcast trivia question.

brp
brp
11 years ago
Reply to  Andy

I like how Don Drysdale was a similar BATTER to Ibanez through age 29.

birtelcom
birtelcom
11 years ago
Reply to  Doug

No worries, Doug. Newton and Leibniz, Darwin and Wallace, Bell and Gray — it’s the discovery not who was first that matters. Besides, it’s impossible to remember every fact published here. I can’t always remember the facts I published here last week.

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
11 years ago

Another player who had career peak years from ages 34-37 was Zack Wheat with an OPS+ of 144. He doesn’t appear on your fourth chart because he had only 52 HR during that period.

Lawrence Azrin
Lawrence Azrin
11 years ago

Ken Williams of the 1920s Browns is another OFer who didn’t become a full-time player till age 30, though he didn’t have quite the finishing kick that Ibanez has had (Williams was 38 his last season as a regular, and 39 his final MLB year).

I’ve heard that “The Williams shift” was first used not in the early 40s for Ted Williams, but in the early 20s for KEN Williams, as he was a pronounced pull hitter.

birtelcom
Editor
11 years ago

Eddie Joost is a guy who became a valuable batter in his mid-30s. Torii Hunter has had four of his five highest Rbat years over the years 2009 through 2012, his age 33-36 seasons

mosc
mosc
11 years ago
Reply to  birtelcom

Hunter’s not a lefty power bat though which is the usual mod for older hangers-on. The thing with hunter that gets missed is that he has completely blown the platoon split this year dominating right handed pitchers. He was aging more into a right handed platoon 4th outfielder type but has significantly turned it on against right handed pitching.

PaulE
PaulE
11 years ago

Looks like Ibanez will break the single season HR mark for a 41 year old with just Bonds (26) and Williams (29) left to pass. Incredible.
He was headed for a fantastic season that first year with the Phillies when he suffered a severe groin injury