Statistics of abortion

Yeah, weird title, I know.

On my way to work every day, I pass a womens’ health clinic that offers, among many other services, abortions. Most days there is a small contingent of protesters outside the clinic, and one of them is usually holding a sign that reads “Women regret abortions.”

This sign always makes me think of baseball and statistics. If I saw someone holding up a sign reading “Joe Carter had over 100 RBI in his age 37 season!!” I would feel compelled to roll down the window and shout “but he sucked horribly that year with a 77 OPS+….77!!!”

Don’t get me started on the loon heralding Dante Bichette’s second-place MVP finish in 1995.

These are all examples of cherry-picked statistics that give the wrong impression without the complete picture. Joe Carter and Dante Bichette DID do those things, but they also sucked those seasons. Women who have abortions probably do experience feelings of regret, but how much more might they regret giving birth to a child they don’t want for some reason? I don’t think the sign about women regretting abortions presents anything close to the full picture.

Just to be clear, I’m not taking any side on the abortion issue–I’m just pointing out an everyday example of the type of statistical misuse we’re accustomed to seeing in baseball.

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Kenny
Kenny
11 years ago

I think about the same issue in the political arena. One candidate accuses another of voting in favor of some proposal. It could be completely factual, but misses the point that the proposal as it was finally voted upon was some sort of grand compromise painstakingly worked out. The headline may be right, but the backstory would provide a completely different perspective.

GrandyMan
GrandyMan
11 years ago

I see “Women regret abortions” and “Joe Carter had 100 RBI” as both being emotional appeals. These statements are effective to a large audience because most women (and men, for that matter) readily understand regret and most baseball fans can easily grasp RBI. It is much harder for most people to go through the trouble of understanding the psychology and economics of raising an unwanted child, and it is similarly difficult to the digest park factors, offensive context, risk versus reward of basestealing, and positional adjustments that are part of a player’s value. Hopefully, in time, the majority of the… Read more »

John Autin
Editor
11 years ago
Reply to  GrandyMan

They *are* both emotional appeals. And that’s not always wrong; we all weigh emotions when we make important life choices. Almost all of us have consciously made an important choice that goes against our rational self-interests, simply because “I couldn’t live with myself otherwise.” The problem with both “arguments” is not that they’re emotional appeals, but that they’re imprecise and ill-thought-out. “Regret” is a vague term. It can mean, “I really wish I had chosen the other path” — but it can also mean, “I wish things could have been different so I didn’t have to come to that particular… Read more »

birtelcom
Editor
11 years ago

Did Bichette suck in 1995? He was a good, valuable hitter that season, even after adjusting for the Coors effect. According to b-ref’s WAR he was the most valuable with the bat (i.e., most Rbat) on a Rockies team that made it to the post-season. He was a below average on defense and on the base paths, but overall, b-ref’s WAR has Dante at +1.2 WAR for the season. Considering that the Rox made the playoffs that season by exactly one game, WAR suggests that without Bichette, Colorado may not have made the playoffs. Was he the second-most valuable player… Read more »

birtelcom
Editor
11 years ago
Reply to  birtelcom

Carter in 1997
OPS in Low Leverage Situations: .605
OPS in Medium Leverage Situations: .695
OPS in High Leverage Situations: .789

birtelcom
Editor
11 years ago
Reply to  Andy

In the 1997 AL
OPS in Low Leverage Situations: .757
OPS in Medium Leverage Situations: .779
OPS in High Leverage Situations: .772

My only goal with Carter’s leverage splits was to fill in the data behind Carter’s Clutch stat. He was extremely awful in low leverage situations, merely awful in medium leverage situations, and average in high leverage situations. No intention to be deceptive.

Paul E
Paul E
11 years ago
Reply to  birtelcom

BRC: I don’t believe Bichette was too much of a positive offensive force away from Coors or at least those big numbers were greatly enhaced by Coors. However, did anyone ever notice both Mo Vaughn and Barry Larkin led their respective teams to the playoffs in 1995, won the M V P awards in their respective leagues and, then, in 1996 had better years to no avail? Obviously, SS Valentin had as much or more to do withy the BRS success in 1995 and one could argue the same for Reggie Sanders for the Reds. I do recall Ron Gant… Read more »

Paul E
Paul E
11 years ago
Reply to  Andy

It’s my belief that anyone who takes 30 BB’s in nearly 700 PA’s is not real valuable, unless of course he pitches 265 innings at an ERA+ of 120. No, my argument was that Valentin deserved the 1995 AL MVP award and, perhaps, Larkin’s teammates were as deserving as he (as were Piazza and Biggio).
Re Bichette, per baseball-reference, if you convert him to a Los Angeles Dodger for 1995, he goes .295/.318/.542 with 93 runs created. Hey, good for him. He got traded to the greatest hitters park since Baker Bowl and he got paid for it….

Nick Pain
Nick Pain
11 years ago
Reply to  Paul E

It’s interestng to think of how some hitters have benefited financially from Coors numbers, and conversely how some pitchers may have their longterm financial security impacted. For example, over the five years Steve Reed pitched in Colorado from 1993-97 he amassed a WAR of 8.7, sixth best over that time period for pitchers with no games started. In 1998, the first year of his subsequent free agent contract, he was the 46th highest paid 0 start pitcher in MLB. Had he pitched in San Diego during that time and had better traditional numbers, I wonder if he would have had… Read more »

birtelcom
Editor
11 years ago
Reply to  Andy

Andy @7: I tried to follow the overall message of your post by avoiding rhetoric and articulating precisely. When a team wins a post-season spot by one game, the very concept of WAR suggests that each player on that team with a WAR of 1.0 or more can be said to have had a season such that without him, the team would not have grabbed that post-season spot. That was exactly what I said about Bichette, no more and no less. I agree with 99% of your original post, Andy — I just thought your rhetoric got carried away a… Read more »

Mike L
Mike L
11 years ago

Isn’t the entire point of this trying to find some sort of common vocabulary? In politics, you speak in a way that contextualizes arguments to make them (often speciously) self-evident. So, when you say “X million babies have been killed” you have already cut off further discussion (I’m not taking a side here, just pointing out something obvious). In baseball, the common vocabulary is stats, mixed with more ethereal qualities such as perceived clutchness, leadership, etc. But not everyone agrees on what those stats mean, or what value to place on them, so there really is no agreement on a… Read more »

birtelcom
Editor
11 years ago
Reply to  Mike L

I love OPS+ as well, Mike, and for Bichette in 1995 it gets us a good value for his hitting — 130 OPS+, tied for 12th in the NL, which sounds about right. Andy’s counter of course would (quite correctly) be that OPS+ fails to take into account Bichette’s flaws on the basepaths and in the field. There’s probably no simple, intuitive way to do that statistically, so complicated ways to do so, like Win Shares and WARP and WAR will continue to evolve (all of which show Bichette as a small but positive net contributor to the Rockies success… Read more »

Fireworks
Fireworks
11 years ago
Reply to  birtelcom

While reading your earlier posts I didn’t get what you were trying to do and now that I’ve read them all I see what you were trying to do but disagree with the conclusion that Bichette is a small net positive. Exceeding replacement level makes one a net positive to a team exceeding a replacement level record. Since you are describing Bichette as a net positive not to helping his team merely exceed replacement level, but make the postseason, the question then becomes whether his net contribution actually meets that standard. It doesn’t. A team of of twenty-five 1.3 WAR… Read more »

birtelcom
Editor
11 years ago
Reply to  Fireworks

WAR suggests Bichette in 1995 was, overall, slightly below average in value, but more valuable than a typical replacement player who would have replaced him had he, say, been injured and lost for the season on Opening Day. Among starting left fielders in the NL in 1995, he was probably not in the top half, but probably not in the bottom 4 either. How that particular value range fits the definition of the term Andy used is up to you.

mosc
mosc
11 years ago

Look, I’m sure we’re all similarly politically affiliated since we’re all similarly logical people but I really don’t appreciate using abortion as an analogy for this. The piece is… trashy. The one who comes off sounding poorly here is you Andy, which is a shame because I normally find you a very articulate, factual, and detailed communicator.

no statistician but
no statistician but
11 years ago
Reply to  mosc

Mosc:

Red flag alert. Calm down and try to understand Andy’s use of, not abortion, but the logic on the sign he saw as it relates to the specious conclusion it is meant to illicit.

Like Andy, I guess, I don’t like this kind of emotional appeal, one that eliminates all other considerations.

Mike L
Mike L
11 years ago
Reply to  mosc

Sorry to pile in here. I write a political blog, 1200-1500 words once a week. To do it, I probably spend an hour or more a day online reading newspapers and politically oriented websites. It;s ugly out there. Not only can the comments be incredibly nasty, but more and more the columnists are doing the same thing. We’ve pretty much lost the ability to talk to each other in a civil way. I’d contrast that with HHS, which I find to be an oasis of calm and considerate interaction. I think Andy was trying to make a point that had… Read more »

mosc
mosc
11 years ago
Reply to  mosc

I get what you guys are saying but the piece does not read that way to me. There’s no reason to use abortion in this analogy independent of whither or not it gets into the morality of abortion. It’s a trigger on it’s own.

Fireworks
Fireworks
11 years ago
Reply to  Andy

I agree. The lines we draw have to be reasonable. Else shouldn’t we all be offended that one of our most referenced statistics trivializes “an organised and often prolonged conflict that is carried out by states and/or non-state actors”? I forgot to make a follow-up post earlier where I wanted to say that I absolutely hope that you and other contributors continue to write things in this sort of fashion. One of the reasons Bill James became the face of sabermetrics is not merely because of his good work but because of his writing talent, because of his ability not… Read more »

Nash Bruce
Nash Bruce
11 years ago
Reply to  Fireworks

wow. Read it all, great stuff. Thanks, Fireworks.

Joseph
Joseph
11 years ago

You think that’s bad? You know that Don Mattingly is probably the only hall-eligible player not in the HOF who has over a .307 lifetime BA, 127 or higher lifetime OPS+, with three seasons over 200 hits. Not only that, he’s got the 8th best lifetime fielding percentage all time at his position. Not even Babe Ruth did that. ha ha ha ha P.S.: You have your head in too many baseball stats if you think that any statistically significant number of women are going to say that they regret NOT having an abortion, no matter how the kid turns… Read more »

Fireworks
Fireworks
11 years ago
Reply to  Joseph

You seem to be on the same (wrong) page that mosc is on. Andy’s position isn’t pro- or anti-abortion (notice I used those two terms instead of pro-choice and pro-life–that’s usually my example of how the issue is obfuscated and distorted by emotional appeals). Andy is pointing out (rightly) that the appeal made by the protesters is misleading in the same way that cherry-picking certain statistics is misleading. One could put up a virtual “sign”on the front page of this site that reads, “HHS readers regret when Andy writes a post relating to abortion” It would of course mislead a… Read more »

Dr. Remulak
Dr. Remulak
11 years ago
Reply to  Joseph

Mattingly should be in the HOF. OPS+ and Gold Gloves place him among the elite first basemen of all-time. I blame Yankee haters.

Fireworks
Fireworks
11 years ago
Reply to  Dr. Remulak

I loved Mattingly when I was a kid but I don’t think he belongs in the Hall. Although I know he was the most feared hitter in baseball during his time. What, that’s already been used? Okay, but he batted to the score. What? Okay but so what if he didn’t walk–one does not simply walk out of Indiana. He was paid to drive in runs! Swing the bat, young fella! I just got sad. I just realized I really wish Harold Reynolds or someone of his ilk to try to say that a guy batted to the score in… Read more »

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
11 years ago
Reply to  Dr. Remulak

In support of Dr. Remulak’s comment I will repeat a portion of what I commented about Mattingly last February. His OPS+ was 127, nothing that would knock you off your chair but still better than more than half of the position players already in the HOF, including the likes of Bench, Hartnett, Berra, Cuyler, Gehringer, Puckett and George Sisler. From 1984 through 1989 Mattingly was second in OPS+, first in SLG, 2B, and RBI, second in OPS and Rbat and third in BA and H. He had one MVP and finished in the top ten 4 times. Impressive stats. There… Read more »

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
11 years ago
Reply to  Andy

Well he did vote for Mattingly in the 1961 COG ballot.

Ed
Ed
11 years ago
Reply to  Andy

He also voted for Mattingly in ’62. I’m not convinced it was sarcasm.

oneblankspace
oneblankspace
11 years ago

And considering statistics that don’t tell the whole story, at one point in February the Brooklyn Nets had a 32-0 record in certain conditions…

https://twitter.com/Nets_PR/status/304064907190628352