COG Round 99 Results: Dazzy dazzles voters

Voters took a chance on Charles Arthur “Dazzy” Vance, but it was a very safe bet. Vance’s blistering fastball bedazzled National League batters in the 1920s and early 1930s, earning the right-hander a first ballot victory in the 99th round of COG balloting. Vance compiled over 2000 strikeouts and almost 200 wins after the age of 30, both pre-expansion live ball era records and marks more impressive for having been preceded by almost no major league experience. Among 345 retired pitchers like Vance with 25 to 50 IP in 15 or fewer games thru age 30, Vance easily leads in career Wins and Strikeouts, far ahead of the second place career marks of 185 strikeouts by Marlin Stuart and 25 wins for Ed Holley and Bob Spade.

More on Vance after the jump.

After more than 1500 IP in the minors, including three straight seasons (1919-21) with WHIP under 1.25 in over 250 IP, Vance finally caught on with the Robins in 1922. That year would be the first of seven straight leading the NL in strikeouts and SO/9. And, Vance didn’t just lead, he ran away and hid from all his rivals, as shown below for Vance’s SO/9 rates for those seasons.

	Vance	Second	                Lead	% Lead
1922	4.91	4.19 (Jimmy Ring)	0.72	17.2%
1923	6.32	4.22 (Dolph Luque)	2.10	49.8%
1924	7.65	3.91 (Burleigh Grimes)	3.74	95.7%
1925	7.50	4.33 (Dolph Luque)	3.17	73.2%
1926	7.46	5.53 (Jakie May)        1.93	34.9%
1927	6.06	4.73 (Jumbo Elliott)	1.33	28.1%
1928	6.42	5.57 (Pat Malone)	0.85	15.3%

Bear in mind that those leads are not how much better Vance was than the league average, it’s how much better he was than the second best strikeout pitcher in the league.

Another indication of how Vance separated himself from the competition are his two seasons (1924 and 1928) with 10 WAR and 7.5 WAA. Only five other pitchers have two such live ball era seasons, with Bob Gibson in 1968-69 the first to match Vance’s feat. Between Vance and Gibson, only Lefty Grove (1936), Hal Newhouser (1945) and Sandy Koufax (1963) posted as dominating a campaign.

Vance’s career best season was 1924, taking the pitcher’s triple crown with a 28-6 record and 2.16 ERA to go with a career best 262 strikeouts. That strikeout total  eclipsed Vance’s own live ball era record, establishing a standard that would not be surpassed until 1946, and not surpassed in the NL until 1961.

Vance’s peak over his age 33-39 seasons shows a 128-78 record (.621) with 2.89 ERA (144 ERA+) and 3.04 FIP, while compiling 48.9 WAR in almost 1800 IP. Among 34 pitchers since 1893 with 1500 IP for those ages, Vance ranks top 5 in Wins, CG, ERA+ and WAR, and top 10 in IP, ERA, FIP, SO and W-L%.

Vance’s 150 strikeouts in 1931 tied Cy Young‘s record for most by an age 40+ pitcher. It was a mark that would not be surpassed until Early Wynn‘s 1960 season, and not surpassed in the NL until Phil Niekro topped 200 strikeouts in 1979.

Quiz time: Until Max Scherzer matched the feat this season, Dazzy Vance was the last pitcher to record consecutive 9-inning CG starts allowing no more than one hit and one walk in each. Which pitcher has allowed the fewest total hits and walks in consecutive CGs in the post-season?

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no statistician but
no statistician but
9 years ago

A shot in the dark: Christy Mathewson in the 1905 series allowed 4 hits in game one and four hits and a walk in game three.

robbs
robbs
9 years ago

Lolich or Gibson in 68?

bstar
9 years ago

Doug, is it Jim Lonborg? He pitched a CG 1-hitter with 1 walk in game 2 of the ’67 World Series for Boston then followed that up with a 3-hit, 0-walk CG win in gm 5.

So that’s 5 hits & walks combined for consecutive postseason CG efforts.

no statistician but
no statistician but
9 years ago
Reply to  bstar

You beat me @#6 by nine minutes, bstar. Hope we’re both right.

Doug
Doug
9 years ago
Reply to  bstar

Lonborg is the answer.

Unfortunately, Boston went to the well once too often.

Dr. Doom
Dr. Doom
9 years ago

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no statistician but
no statistician but
9 years ago

I cheated and looked up some stats, but not all of them. If anyone did better than Jim Lonborg in the 1967 series, games 2 and 5, though, he did some great pitching: four hits and one walk in the two games.

In the second of those games Steve Carlton took the loss. In the mid-Seventies Lonborg and Carlton were pillars of the Phillies staff for a few years. In 1974 their records were almost identical and in 1976 they were very close. But who remembers Lonborg now?

Lawrence Azrin
Lawrence Azrin
9 years ago

Jim Lonborg is still a fondly-remembered name to many Red Sox fans, mainly for his huge role in the 1967 “Impossible Dream” season. Though he probably didn’t deserve the AL CYA that year (his ERA, ERA+, and Adj Pitching Runs weren’t in the Top-10, or even close to it), he led the AL in wins on the pennant-winning team, which is usually enough to win that award. After his MLB career ended, he went to Tufts Dental School, got his degree and practiced as a dentist for decades, till 2005. An interesting tidbit, courtesy of B-r’s Bullpen: ‘In the TV… Read more »

Doug
Doug
9 years ago

Nobody did any better. In fact, nobody else is really that close.

Best 3 consecutive CGs for H + BB – Mathewson (1905) with 13 H and one BB.

Best 4 – Gibson (1967-68) with 18 H and 7 BB.