COG Round 88 Results: Voters don’t linger over Gehringer

The 88th round of voting for the Circle of Greats inducts Hall of Famer Charlie Gehringer, winning election in only his second round on the COG ballot. The “Mechanical Man” was a mainstay in the Tiger infield for 16 seasons during which Detroit won three pennants, including a World Series championship in 1935.

More on Gehringer after the jump.

Gehringer continued the tradition of star second basemen in the early years of the AL, following Nap Lajoie and Eddie Collins as second sackers to top 80 WAR for their careers (more than 70 years later, they are still the only AL second basemen to reach that WAR level). Following from the example of contemporary Rogers Hornsby in the NL, Gehringer combined batting clout with consistency in reaching base, posting career marks north of .150 ISO and .400 OBP that have since been achieved at second base only by Jackie Robinson. Gehringer’s career counting stats are equally as impressive, exceeding 2500 hits, 1500 runs, 1000 RBI and 1000 walks, marks since matched at his position only by HOFers Joe MorganRoberto Alomar and Craig Biggio.

Gehringer’s nickname of “Mechanical Man” was bestowed by Yankee pitcher Lefty Gomez who opined that one could just “wind up” Gehringer on opening day and he’d run all season long (in modern vernacular, the “Eveready Man”). That moniker alluded to Gehringer’s consistency and effectiveness, both in the field and at bat. On defense, the limited data available don’t translate into a large quantity of runs saved but, over an 8 year period (1930-37), Gehringer posted at least 0.9 dWAR every season but one (his miss was 1931 when he lost a third of the season to injury) and his fielding percentage (the only defensive stat of his time) over a ten year period (1930-39) was at least 9 points higher (about 8 fewer errors) than league average every season but two. On offense, over a 13-year span (1928-40), Gehringer was below 4.0 oWAR only once, batted under .300 only once, played fewer than 150 games only four times, and posted a .350 OBP every season. That consistency is also reflected in Gehringer’s ranks among second baseman for numbers of seasons at different WAR levels.

  • 7 WAR – 5 seasons, T-4th
  • 6 WAR – 6 seasons, 4th
  • 5 WAR – 8 seasons, 5th
  • 4 WAR – 12 seasons, 3rd
  • 3 WAR – 13 seasons, 5th

Gehringer is often compared to a more recent Tiger second baseman, fellow COG honoree Lou Whitaker. Both played 19 seasons in Detroit, including 16 as a regular, and both at almost the same ages (21-39 for Gehringer, 20-38 for Whitaker). Here’s the tale of the tape.

Player WAR WAA OPS+ ISO dWAR G PA R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SB CS BA OBP SLG OPS
Charlie Gehringer 80.6 45.4 124 .160 10.7 2323 10244 1775 2839 574 146 184 1427 1186 181 90 .320 .404 .480 .884
Lou Whitaker 74.9 42.5 117 .150 15.4 2390 9967 1386 2369 420 65 244 1084 1197 143 75 .276 .363 .426 .789
Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Play Index Tool Used
Generated 3/16/2015.

That Gehringer is just that little bit better than Whitaker says a lot about both men. Welcome to the COG, Charlie!

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oneblankspace
oneblankspace
9 years ago

Assuming the goOgle spreadsheet is up to date…

25% was reached by Cochrane, Hubbell, Waner, and A.Simmons
10% was reached by Killebrew, Miñoso, Eckersley, Campanella, Tiant, Reuschel, Ferrell, Nettles.

Receiving votes but less than 10% were Brown, Averill, Berg.

Scary Tuna
Scary Tuna
9 years ago
Reply to  oneblankspace

Winfield also reached 10%.

Dr. Doom
Dr. Doom
9 years ago

Round 88 all-time vote update! * = active on the ballot; # = in redemption purgatory; all others elected. For the record, I did NOT count the vote by “BillH” for Winfield, Tiant, and Minoso. If we get clarification on that being an entirely different BillH from regular poster billh, I will add those votes in accordingly. Now, without further ado, here is the update: Craig Biggio – 763 Eddie Murray – 731 Roberto Alomar – 725 John Smoltz – 658 Kenny Lofton – 608 Ryne Sandberg – 607 Edgar Martinez – 507 Lou Whitaker – 493 *Harmon Killebrew –… Read more »

mosc
mosc
9 years ago
Reply to  Dr. Doom

I have the remaining catchers in this order:
1) Campanella
2) Hartnett
3) Cochrane

I would probably elect 1 and 2 but not 3. Cochrane was not much of a peak guy at catcher either. I don’t need to see the same longevity at catcher but it’d be nice to see a catcher put up more than 5.7 WAR more than once. Buster Posey in 2012 was better than anything Cochrane ever did, so was Mauer in ’09 (in fact I don’t know how you can seriously argue Cochrane > Mauer career wise even now).

Dr. Doom
Dr. Doom
9 years ago
Reply to  mosc

But… why would you elect Hartnett if not Cochrane? 7 more seasons played with only 1.3 extra WAR to show for it? Hartnett had peak of 5.4, with only one other 5.0 season (and it was EXACTLY 5.0, at that). Cochrane had 6.3, 5.6, 5.5, 5.4, and 5.0. I REALLY don’t get the argument for Hartnett, unless you’re related to him or something. You’re after Cochrane for peak value, but he definitely has more of that than Hartnett.

David P
David P
9 years ago
Reply to  Dr. Doom

I’m with you Doom. It’s basically the exact opposite of the argument that he made in saying Simmons was better than Waner. I’d say more but it’s probably best to bite my tongue. Really, really hard!

mosc
mosc
9 years ago
Reply to  Dr. Doom

Mostly defensive underestimation. I don’t think Hartnett is a great candidate but if you take on faith he was undervalued by ~10 runs per 162 games he gets a lot of extra value. Cochrane meanwhile was below the league average in caught stealing percentage. I would fully agree that if I thought RFIELD for catchers in this era was worth anything I’d put Cochrane ahead of Hartnett. Totally tossing it out and approximating their defensive value with modern equivalents, Hartnett had a long career with a lot of defensive value. Cochrane on the other hand, I don’t think would change… Read more »

mosc
mosc
9 years ago
Reply to  mosc

I find it surprising that I am in the minority favoring Hartnett over Cochrane. Their defensive reputations are not that comparable.

John Autin
Editor
9 years ago
Reply to  mosc

mosc, Hartnett’s career Rfield is 14 runs better than Cochrane. If you think it should be several times that much, it can’t all come from CS rates. MLB teams averaged 70 steals per year during Hartnett’s years as a regular. Hartnett’s career edge in CS%, applied to the number of tries Cochrane faced, amounts to 15 extra outs per year. I don’t think that warrants the size of edge you are asserting. For offense alone, Cochrane’s 11 regular years totaled 49.8 oWAR. Hartnett’s 16 regular years totaled 51.6 oWAR — an edge of 2.8 oWAR in 1,072 more PAs. Cochrane… Read more »

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
9 years ago

Gehringer’s MVP award came in 1937 and it was quite an interesting and somewhat controversial battle. There were 5 guys with titanic numbers that year, which was a hitter’s year. The 5 were Gehringer, Gehrig, DiMaggio, Dickey and Greenberg. Gehringer’s OPS of .978 was exceeded by the 4 other players, as was his RBI total of 96 by a very comfortable margin. WAR-wise Gehringer was 4th among those guys. His stand-out stat was his league-leading .371 BA. Most people expected that DiMaggio, Greenberg or Gehrig would walk away with the award. It may have been somewhat of a meritorious achievement… Read more »

mosc
mosc
9 years ago

Gehringer was great. We shouldn’t be comparing him to whitaker, we should be comparing him to Joe Gordon and Rod Carew. I think 1 and 2 are Rajah and Joe-I-don’t-like-walks-but-I-took-a-ton-of-em-Morgan but Gehringer has a legit case to be in the top 3 at his position all time.

David Horwich
David Horwich
9 years ago
Reply to  mosc

Gehringer over Collins, huh? I’d put Gehringer #4 or 5 at the position, either just ahead or behind of Lajoie.

mosc
mosc
9 years ago
Reply to  David Horwich

I forgot Collins lol

Lawrence Azrin
Lawrence Azrin
9 years ago
Reply to  mosc

Greatest second baseman ever rankings? The consensus nowadays seems to be: GREATEST EVER (#1-#3): Eddie Collins, Rogers Hornsby, Joe Morgan (listed chronologically); I’d rank them: -Morgan -Collins -Hornsby A lot of the above ranking depends largely on how you evaluate their defense. I rank Hornsby 3rd because how was an adequate defensive 2nd baseman, but nowhere as good as the other two. His amazing hitting closes the gap considerably, but not completely (IMHO). #4: Naploean Lajoie; not as good as the above three, but better than anyone else (although B-R ranks him #3) #5/#6: Charlie Gehringer or Jackie Robinson. You… Read more »

Voomo Zanzibar
Voomo Zanzibar
9 years ago
Reply to  Lawrence Azrin

By what method are you ranking Rajah below Collins and Morgan defensively? Because the numbers suggest the opposite (while also giving him credit for solid play at both SS and 3B).

John Autin
Editor
9 years ago
Reply to  Voomo Zanzibar

Wow, Voomo — those Rfield numbers are shocking to many of us, I suspect.

The BJHBA called Hornsby an adequate defender, but the worst of those who had long careers at 2B. (Last in def. Win Shares per inning out of 71 with 10,000 innings.) James also quoted glowing praise of Collins’s defense, by the likes of John McGraw and Bucky Harris.

But the most shocking number has to be Morgan’s -48 Rfield. I had no idea, and I don’t know what to say — about any of this.

no statistician but
no statistician but
9 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

Voomo and JA: A look at the details reveals that 42 of Hornsby’s 54 Rfield runs came before the 1922 season, the majority while he was playing SS. Collins’ total of 35 is deceptive. In the last three seasons he was a regular, ages 37-39, his Rfield was -27, cutting into the previous total considerably. After 1921 Hornsby was consistently below league average in fielding percentage and range. Collins was above average, far above at times, most of the years of his career. The suspicious thing about Morgan’s Rfield is that he appears to have been a lousy fielder in… Read more »

Hartvig
Hartvig
9 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

I remember that when the Astrodome first opened and baseball got it’s first Astroturf field a lot of players compared it to playing on concrete. Little Joe was awfully young and didn’t play much in 63 or 64 but Eddie Kasko was at short in both 1964 when they were still playing in Colt Stadium and 1965 when the Dome first opened. In old Colt stadium he had 8 Rfield in 1063 innings at short. The following season he dropped to -4 Rfield in less than half (474) the number of innings. Shipped off to Boston the following year his… Read more »

Lawrence Azrin
Lawrence Azrin
9 years ago
Reply to  Voomo Zanzibar

@13/VZ; I am going more by reputation than by Rfield listed in B-R. As NS implies in #15, Rfield is not to be trusted as a definitive source in earlier eras. I’ll stick with: – Eddie Collins: great defensive 2Bman most of his career – Joe Morgan: very good to excellent defensive 2Bman much of his career – Hornsby: decent to very good defender early in his career, but after his inner-ear/equilibrium problems c. 1922, decent at best, rates as a below-average defensive 2Bman. Apparently, he was left at second because other positions posed too much of a challenge with… Read more »

Voomo Zanzibar
Voomo Zanzibar
9 years ago
Reply to  Lawrence Azrin

Searching the internet for accounts of Hornsby’s bad defense, I’m not finding anything definitive. Here’s something from thebaseballpage that covers both sides of it: – While no one ever questioned Hornsby’s greatness as a hitter, the second baseman has often been criticized through the years for his defense. Generally considered to be a mediocre fielder at best, Hornsby frequently struggled with pop-ups, and he committed as many as 52 errors while playing shortstop for the Cardinals in 1917. Still, a reporter for the Washington Post described Hornsby in 1918 as “the outstanding fielding shortstop in the western circuit of the… Read more »

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
9 years ago
Reply to  Lawrence Azrin

@18

Hornsby had trouble while looking up and going back for pop-ups due to dizziness and balance problems.