Circle of Greats: Redemption Round #7 Part 2

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This Circle of Greats (COG) vote is not to induct anyone into the Circle, but only to select two players who will be restored back on to the main ballot after having been previously been dropped from eligibility. This part two of our seventh “redemption round” (we’ve been holding such redemption rounds interspersed among the regular voting rounds every tenth voting round or so) gives voters a chance to reconsider past candidates who have previously fallen off the regular induction ballots.

In this vote you may include on your three-man ballot any major league baseball player who was born between 1945 and 1908 and has neither been elected to the Circle of Greats nor is currently on the 1907 COG ballot (there was a redemption vote last week for players born between 1946 and 1969). As usual, you must vote for three and only three players to cast a qualifying ballot. The two players who appear on the most ballots will be restored to eligibility for the next regular, induction round of COG voting. If your personal favorite doesn’t come in the top two this time, do not despair — he will have other chances in future redemption rounds to be held from time to time.

There are many players who are eligible for your votes in this redemption round. As an optional aid to your selection process, I’ve put together two spreadsheets, one for pitchers and one for everyday players, that include some stats for a substantial selection of relevant players: Redemption Round 7 Part 2 Optional Hitter List and Redemption Round 7 Part 2 Optional Pitcher List. The spreadsheet with everyday players includes the 147 everyday players born between 1908 and 1945 who accumulated at least 25 Wins Above Replacement (baseball-reference version). The list is in order of career regular season plate appearances, from high to low. The pitcher list includes the 82 pitchers born between 1908 and 1945 who accumulated at least 25 pitching Wins Above Replacement. That list is ordered based on a formula of career regular season IP+(5*SV), intended to represent a quantity measure of pitching but one that does not banish relief pitchers to the bottom of the list. Again, these spreadsheets represent entirely discretionary lists — your full options are as stated: all major leaguers born between 1908 and 1945 who have not been inducted into the COG and are not on the 1907 ballot that is also the subject of a vote this week.

The deadline to cast your ballots in this redemption round is Wednesday night, January 7 at 11:59PM EST. You can change your votes until 11:59PM EST on Monday night, January 5. You can keep track of the vote tally in this redemption round here: COG Redemption Round 7 Part 2 Vote Tally.

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David Horwich

9 years ago

Ashburn, Nettles, Sutton

Tempted to go all-3B (Bando, Bell, Nettles), but I’ll mix it up a bit.

Mike HBC

9 years ago

I’m still voting for Jim Abbott, Curtis Pride, and Jim Eisenreich. I don’t care that they’re ineligible.

Chris C

9 years ago

Reply to Mike HBC

How about Pete Gray?

Mike HBC

9 years ago

Reply to Chris C

Well, the other three actually ARE CoG-eligible, just not from this range of years. I’ve voted for them every other redemption round (because I think the redemption rounds are silly), so there’s no reason to stop now.

9 years ago

birtelcom: the already elected Hank Greenberg is on the Optional Hitters List.

9 years ago

Reply to RJ

Also the pitcher spreadsheet is set to private.

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birtelcom

9 years ago

Reply to RJ

@3:Thanks and fixed.

@4:Thanks and fixed.

Voomo Zanzibar

9 years ago

Plate Appearances per Win Above Average PaWaa: 206.5 … (6299) Larry Doby 215.3 … (8051) Reggie Smith 222.3 … (7315) Dick Allen 243.4 … (6256) Ralph Kiner 254.2 … (8287) Sal Bando 254.4 … (8090) Bobby Bonds 262.6 … (8272) Ken Boyer 266.0 … (7874) Chet Lemon 280.1 … (8011) Jim Wynn 302.2 … (7403) Jim Fregosi 305.6 … (7914) Norm Cash 311.6 … (8133) Cesar Cedeno 311.8 … (10,228) Graig Nettles 324.8 … (8639) Billy Herman 328.4 … (8802) Joe Torre 343.1 … (8508) Stan Hack 345.2 … (9736) Richie Ashburn 374.9 … (9822) Willie Davis 389.6 … (10519)Billy… Read more »

Voomo Zanzibar

9 years ago

Reply to Voomo Zanzibar

We’ve elected 57 position players to the COG.

By PA:

4 … 13,000+
7 … 12 – 13,000
8 … 11 – 12,000
10 .. 10 – 11,000
14 .. 9 – 10,000
6 … 8 – 9,000
5 … 7 – 8,000
2 … 6 – 7,000
1 … 5 – 6,000

Almost everybody under 9,000 PA has a good reason for the shorter-career.

Racism … Jackie Robinson
Catcher .. Bench, Berra, Piazza
Military . DiMaggio, Gordon, Mize, Greenberg, Arky, Duke

The Exceptions … Boudreau, Edgar, Grich, Larry Walker

David Horwich

9 years ago

Reply to Voomo Zanzibar

I think Martinez has a good (non-injury) reason, too – organizational fecklessness. He’s only a half-season short of 9000 PA, & in a better organization almost certainly would’ve been brought up sooner & easily surpassed the mark.

Steven

9 years ago

Richie Ashburn, Ken Boyer, Lou Brock.

David P

9 years ago

Reggie Smith, Nettles, Boyer

David P

9 years ago

Reply to David P

Based on Artie Z’s #24, I’m going to drop Boyer and add Drysdale.

ajnrules

9 years ago

Early Wynn and Don Sutton, because I’m a sucker for players with 300 wins.

And Ernie Lombardi because he’s always been one of my favorites.

Unconventional picks, but somebody’s gotta show them support.

Chris C

9 years ago

Dick Allen, Hal Newhouser, Sal Bando

RonG

9 years ago

Tommy John, Lou Brock, Ken Boyer

Hartvig

9 years ago

Monte Irvin, Larry Doby, Richie Ashburn Far deeper and stronger pool than round 1. Considered Nettles & R. Smith as well> I strongly urge everyone to take another look at Irvin, especially his Negro and Minor(!) League numbers. He’s in the Mexican Professional Baseball Hall of Fame as well. He was playing in the Negro Leagues in 1939 but didn’t play a game in the majors until more than halfway thru the 1949 season. Lost 3+ years to WW2. Put up 6.9 WAR as a 32 year old and then severely broke his ankle at the start of the following… Read more »

David Horwich

9 years ago

Reply to Hartvig

With all due respect to Irvin, it’s hard for me to believe he might’ve put together a better career than Stan Musial. Irvin posted 21.3 WAR from age 31-37 (I’m leaving aside his partial debut season at age 30). From age 31-37 Musial accumulated 44.5 WAR.

Even if we imagine Irvin didn’t break his ankle in 1952 and didn’t get sent to the minors (!) in 1955 and thus played full seasons throughout his MLB career, he still wouldn’t come close to Musial for that portion of their careers.

Hartvig

9 years ago

Reply to David Horwich

I’ll admit there’s a great deal of “what if” involved but you’re leaving out a number of things: 1) Irvin re-injured his ankle in a collision at home plate in August of 1953. He never fully recovered from that injury. 2) Unlike the majority of MLB players during WW2 Irvin was unable to play any kind of organized ball 3) Take another look at his numbers in the minor leagues. Those leagues were heavily populated by players who had played in the majors during the war- but I’m not sure that Mike Trout would put up more impressive numbers if… Read more »

David Horwich

9 years ago

Reply to Hartvig

“[Irvin] was one hell of a ballplayer who lost most of the opportunity to showcase those talents on a major league stage to circumstances that were largely entirely beyond his control.” Sure, no argument there. My cavil was based in part on the fact that, as you note, the Musial bar is an absurdly high one; and in part because while I’ll give ‘extra credit’ for time lost to military service or segregation, injuries are another story. True, injuries are (for the most part) beyond a player’s control, but if we start what-iffing about injuries there’ll be no end to… Read more »

mosc

9 years ago

Reply to David Horwich

You’re talking about an outfielder with speed and range who didn’t get to play professional baseball in his 20s at all. His value was degraded significantly before he ever set foot on a major league field. We do have some stats from before his MLB career and they jive very well with what can only be described as the premier position player of any league he was in. I also don’t set a Stan Musial bar, I set an Eddie Murray bar. Steady Eddie was quite a producer in his age 31-37 seasons with 18.1 WAR. Speed was never a… Read more »

Gary Bateman

9 years ago

Ashburn, Boyer, Wilhelm

Voomo Zanzibar

9 years ago

Jim Bunning pitched a lot of innings. And had his beast years from ages 33 – 35. ______ Inning Pitched per Win Above Average IpWaa: 80.0 … (2993) Hal Newhouser 83.8 … (2255) Hoyt Wilhelm 103.2 … (2684) Wilbur Wood 115.9 … (2492) Sam McDowell 120.0 … (3432) Don Drysdale 127.0 … (2147) Dean Chance 127.7 … (3307) Billy Pierce 132.9 … (3760) Jim Bunning 141.8 … (3219) Dutch Leonard 154.7 … (3263) Larry Jackson 155.4 … (3186) Milt Pappas 159.3 … (3839) Jerry Koosman 209.1 … (3638) Mickey Lolich 215.1 … (4710) Tommy John 225.7 … (5282) Don Sutton… Read more »

PaulE

9 years ago

Reply to Voomo Zanzibar

Voomo
The Phillies dumped Bunning after a phenomenal 1967 season. That may have been the Phillies only timely trade of the last 50 years 🙁

Voomo Zanzibar

9 years ago

Reply to Voomo Zanzibar

We have elected 23 pitchers to the COG.

By IP:

6 … 5000 – 5500
5 … 4500 – 5000
2 … 4000 – 4500
5 … 3500 – 4000
3 … 3000 – 3500
0 … 2500 – 3000
1 … 2000 – 2500
0 … 1500 – 2000
1 … 1000 – 1500

KalineCountry Ron

9 years ago

Ashburn
Newhouser
Lolich

JEV

9 years ago

Drysdale, Sutton, Medwick

koma

9 years ago

Tommy John, Ken Boyer, Lou Brock

dr. remulak

9 years ago

Nettles, Medwick, Allen.

PaulE

9 years ago

Allen was the best hitter of the group by a good bit.
Reggie Smith might be the best switch hitter of the group
Bando.

9 years ago

Reggie Smith, Don Drysdale, Hal Newhouser

Artie Z.

9 years ago

Nettles, Ashburn, and Drysdale When I look at someone like Allen or Reggie Smith, part of what makes me back away from them is the reason I kept voting for Eddie Murray over Willie McCovey. Smith in his best 10 year WAR stretch played 1388 games and Allen 1353. In contrast, Nettles played 1557 games in his best 10 year WAR stretch (which just happened to coincide with the 1970-1979 decade) while Ashburn played 1524 games (when the schedule was 154 games a season). I’d rather have the guy who was in the lineup everyday for a decade than the… Read more »

Paul E

9 years ago

Reply to Artie Z.

Artie Z.: Dick Allen has the highest OPS+ of any player born between the years 1932 and 1962. That group represents a significant amount of little boys who aspired to become major leaguers (and failed – like me) as well as all those that did eventually become major leaguers. Reggie Smith could run, field, throw, hit for average, hit with power, and he took a walk. And, he could hit left-handed and right handed. As far as “batting both”, I could, too… in wiffle ball. Other than that, Reggie Smith couldn’t play. Willie McCovey was the best hitter in the… Read more »

Artie Z.

9 years ago

Reply to Paul E

I didn’t say Allen and Smith couldn’t play – just that they didn’t play enough for me. And I wasn’t talking about “hanging around” time, but in their primes. Whether the 10-year span is from ages 21-30 or 23-32 or 26-35 or 31-40 is immaterial to me. Allen’s 10-year prime (and I use 10 years because that is the minimum amount of time for the HOF) was undeniably 1964-1973. He only had one other useful season (1974) and maybe a partially useful season (1976). In those 10 years I would guess his teams played about 1600 games (I know there… Read more »

Paul E

9 years ago

Reply to Artie Z.

As far as Allen, it was a separated shoulder in 1966 (~20 games), an “accident” that lacerated his wrist and tore his ulna nerve (~40 games/122 of 122 games played to date) in August 1967, a 30 game suspension in 1969, a torn hamstring in 1970 (played 118 of first 119 games), and a broken leg in 1973. Pretty legitimate injuries. After, basically, ripping him, Bill James in his BJHBA states something to the effect that “he did have three or four seasons when he was as good a player as anyone in baseball”. I just don’t think that may… Read more »

Dr. Doom

9 years ago

These Redemption Rounds are nearly impossible. Too many choices!! I’ll go with the following: 1. Sal Bando – the only guy to lead the Majors in WAR over a 5-year rolling period to not be in the HOF or on the ballot currently. He deserves a second look, if just for that phenomenal peak. 2. Jim Bunning – I’m not sure WHY we dismissed him so quickly. As far as I can tell, he should have absolutely been in the discussion for induction. 3. Don Drysdale – As Artie Z. notes above, if we’re going to consider Wes Ferrell largely… Read more »

David Horwich

9 years ago

Reply to Dr. Doom

Dr D: Bunning had the misfortune (from a CoG perspective) to be born in 1931, the same year as Mays, Mantle, Mathews, and Banks, not to mention Ken Boyer. The holdover list going into 1931 consisted of 11 players, *all* of whom eventually made it in: Biggio, Grich, Koufax, Lofton, Marichal, Martinez, McCovey, Sandberg, Santo, Smoltz, Whitaker So in the 1931/part 1 ballot, Bunning was up against those holdovers, as well as Mantle and Mathews. Bunning received 8 votes that round and continued on. In 1931/part 2, Bunning was up against the same 11 holdovers plus Eddie Mathews, as well… Read more »

bells

9 years ago

Here’s the vote according to my methodology – I compare players on 4 slightly different metrics, then aggregate the rankings of the players on the ballot. So if a player ranks first on all 4 metrics, they get a 4, if they rank 10th on all 4, they get a 40, etc. The four metrics are: WAR – measurement of value above replacement players; has seemed to be the most widely discussed ‘advanced’ omnibus measurement of player value. WAA+ – measurement of value above average players; my thought is that it measures how ‘really good’ a player was (excluding negative… Read more »

Joseph

9 years ago

Nettles, Wirber, W. Jones

Dr. Doom

9 years ago

Reply to Joseph

Who is W. Jones?

David P

9 years ago

Reply to Dr. Doom

I assume it’s Willie “Puddin’ Head” Jones.

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birtelcom

9 years ago

Reply to David P

Most Regular Season Games at Third Base for a Pennant-Winning Phillies Team:
1. Willie Jones (1950) 157
2. Pedro Feliz (2009) 153
3. Mike Schmidt (1983) 149
4. Mike Schmidt (1980) 143
5. Dave Hollins (1993) 129

Joseph

9 years ago

I can’t believe that Nettles is getting screwed again.

9 years ago

Ashburn, Allen, T. John

Voomo Zanzibar

9 years ago

Best years of Pitching WAR.

Bunning . Newhouser . Drysdale

8.9 … 11.2 … 8.0
8.1 … 9.5 … 6.9
7.8 … 8.0 … 6.1
6.7 … 6.3 … 5.8
6.3 … 5.9 … 5.4
5.4 … 5.4 … 5.3
4.7 … 4.1 … 4.6
3.8 … 2.4 … 4.4
3.7 … 1.7 … 4.3
3.1 … 1.6 … 3.2
3.1 … 1.3 … 2.9
1.5 … 1.2 … 2.8
0.9 … 1.1 … 1.8
0.8 … 1.1 …

…

Dave Humbert

9 years ago

Newhouser, Nettles, Wilhelm

Newhouser’s WAR does indeed adjust for lower quality of WWII opposition, Nettles was among the elite 3B (overshadowed by Schmidt/Brett/B. Robinson) and Wilhelm as the greatest early reliever deserves another look.

paget

9 years ago

I’ve been really looking forward to this redemption ballot, if for no other reason than to get Richie Ashburn back into the mix. I still have a hard time understanding how he dropped off. I have him as basically equal, though slightly superior to Kenny Lofton, and he’s already in the CoG. I can’t think of any argument for electing Lofton and not electing Ashburn. It’s also a pleasure to once again vote for Sal Maglie, whose sui generis career and late excellence deserve a lot more recognition. Last slot is a tough one. I considered all of the following:… Read more »

Joseph

9 years ago

Campaigning for Nettles:

Highest WAR of all the batters in this redemption round. 390 career HRs.

During the 70’s, he was fourth in WAR for the decade, second in dWAR, and sixth in HR.

He was the only player in the 70’s to have both >30 oWAR and >20 dWar.

In the history of the game, only three 3B players have over 50 oWAR and 20 dWAR. Nettles is one of them.

Dave Humbert

9 years ago

Reply to Joseph

All good points in his favor. I think he has gotten less consideration for some odd reasons: 1. Career BA of .248 (misleading stat – over 50 oWAR more meaningful) 2. Only 2 Gold Gloves (after B. Robinson finally slowed down) 3. He played at the same time some even better 3B guys played. Don’t think Nettles should be blamed for the fact 3B talent finally matured in the 70’s, fits in the best 10-12 all-time at an under-represented position. Provides a bit more WAR than Boyer, who played in a less crowded decade. I think his big postseason moments… Read more »

David P

9 years ago

Reply to Dave Humbert

Nettles also led the AL in WAR twice, in 1971 and in 1976. Very few players can make that claim and even fewer 3rd baseman (are there any other 3rd baseman who have done that?).

Richard Chester

9 years ago

Reply to David P

The following 3B have led their league in WAR.
Mike Schmidt 4 times
Wade Boggs 3
Brooks Robinson 2
Graig Nettles 2
A-Rod 2
Al Rosen 1
Ron Santo 1
George Brett 1
And (surprise)
Mel Ott 1
Rogers Hornsby 1

Lawrence Azrin

9 years ago

Reply to Dave Humbert

@44,

As Bill James once said, Brooks already occupied the slot of “3B defensive whiz” in the MLB pantheon by the early/mid 70s, so Nettles defensive prowess was relatively under-appreciated. Plus, as you eluded to above, by the time Nettles was on the HOF ballot, Schmidt, Brett and Boggs were either recently retired or late in their careers, and Nettles was going to be compared unfavorably to them.

I think that he is considerably better than HOFers Lindstrom and Kell, and better than Traynor, but not convinced that he belongs in the HOF.

Michael Sullivan

9 years ago

Reply to Lawrence Azrin

Are you a very small hall guy or did you mean to write COG and not HOF in that last sentence?

Joseph

9 years ago

Reply to Dave Humbert

I agree that the .248 BA puts a lot of people off.

And, as great as he was–he wasn’t the best 3B of his era or even the 2nd best.

But I remember how amazed people were at his world series play.

Dave Humbert

9 years ago

Reply to Joseph

3B does not have a very even spread of talent across eras – there were not too many high level players at the hot corner prior to Eddie Mathews in 1952! Most of the best in the HOF performed in the 70’s and 80’s (before Chipper, Beltre, and A-Rod came along). I would say Nettles is in a similar spot to center fielder Ashburn – no one would call Ashburn better than Mays/Mantle/Snider, just as Nettles is not the equal of B. Robinson/Schmidt/Brett/Boggs. Yet Ashburn is in the HOF and has some solid support on this ballot. Nettles played during… Read more »

Stubby

9 years ago

Gil Hodges, Ralph Kiner, Curt Flood

Shard

9 years ago

Richie Ashburn – Ken Boyer – Don Drysdale

Bill Johnson

9 years ago

Newhouser, Bunning, and Colavito

Mike G.

9 years ago

Newhouser, Drysdale, Lombardi

Kirk

9 years ago

Ashburn, Nettles & Doby

opal611

9 years ago

For Redemption Round 7 Part 2, I’m voting for:

-Don Sutton
-Sal Bando
-Graig Nettles

J.R.

9 years ago

Stargell, Hodges, Kaat

Darien

9 years ago

Jim Bunning, Lou Brock, and Joe Torre

Hub Kid

9 years ago

Dick Allen, Monte Irvin, Early Wynn

brp

9 years ago

Dick Allen
Graig Nettles
Ralph Kiner

brp

9 years ago

Reply to brp

VOTE CHANGE

Allen
Nettles
Wilhelm (thanks to Voomo @74, I overlooked Ol’ Sarge…)

Dr. Doom

9 years ago

Here’s a brief update (through brp @56), only for candidates with 3 or more votes:

10 – Ashburn
9 – Nettles
7 – Don Drysdale, Hal Newhouser
6 – Dick Allen, Ken Boyer
4 – Sal Bando, Lou Brock, Reggie Smith, Don Sutton
3 – Jim Bunning, Tommy John, Hoyt Wilhelm

Biggest surprise for me? That Joe Medwick is getting less love on the redemption ballot than he used to get on the actual COG ballot!

paget

9 years ago

Reply to Dr. Doom

I think it’s (in part at least) because he just fell off last round. My hunch is that one is -irrationally perhaps- less motivated to vote for someone who just fell of since it seems all the more hopeless that the player will make any headway in the general CoG voting. All the more so with Medwick who fell of in awful fashion (garnering only one vote in his last round). I believe in Medwick, but I guess some voting fatigue has set in! The truth is, though, that except for Ashburn, I don’t think any of the players (even… Read more »

Lawrence Azrin

9 years ago

– Ken Boyer
– Hal Newhouser
– Willie Stargell

TJay

9 years ago

Dick Allen, Lou Brock, Joe Torre.

oneblankspace

9 years ago

Ashburn
Drysdale
Jim Kaaat, er, Kaat

billh

9 years ago

D Allen, Stargell, Nettles

donburgh

9 years ago

Bunning, Kiner, Stargell

Josh

9 years ago

Ashburn. Drysdale, Kiner

Andy

9 years ago

Boyer, Nettles, Drysdale

Voomo Zanzibar

9 years ago

I see Graig Nettles as the best long-career position player on the ballot, with no mid-range career candidates standing out. _____ With regards to pitchers, if you like staring at baseball statistics, Hoyt Wilhelm is an endless source of joy. And I’m sad to see him withering away in 14th place before my vote. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/wilheho01.shtml _____ My third vote goes to either Newhouser or Bunning. Bunning had length to his career, but that last 700 innings wasn’t very good. Newhouser at 2993 innings – we’ve only elected Koufax and Mariano with less. But he didn’t really have a decline phase.… Read more »

Paul E

9 years ago

Reply to Voomo Zanzibar

Voomo Z: Regarding Bunning and Newhouser, perhaps a comparison of their “peaks” might work? Their best 6 years indicates: Won-Loss IP FIP ShO ERA+ WHIP WAR WAA 136-67 1767 2.75 28 152 1.212 46.4 33.2 105-69 1698 2.93 27 127 1.112 36.4 21.3 That’s Newhouser on top, Bunning below. I imagine in the AL, no one except for Feller was better than Newhouser. However, I have to believe Koufax, Gibson, Marichal, and Drysdale were as good or better than Bunning during the period 1962-1967. By the same token, this period represents a majority of Newhouser’s “A” level production, while Bunning… Read more »

Dr. Doom

9 years ago

Reply to Paul E

But of course, any “straight-up” comparison to Newhouser deals with the fact that he was playing during WWII. And “average” during WWII was pretty bad… so that 33.2 WAA doesn’t look so sharp when you remember that 21.9 of it was accumulated drom 1944-1946. (Whether 1946 stats should be treated as equal to 1947 or 1945, or somewhere in between, that’s up to you.) Plus, as you point out, what if we go with a 10-year peak? (Again, Newhouser on top:) W-L…..IP…..FIP…..ShO…..ERA+…..WHIP…..WAR…..WAA 176-122 2533.2 3.05 32 138 1.296 55.7 36.6 164-119 2687.1 3.11 38 125 1.129 53.6 30.7 For Newhouser,… Read more »

Voomo Zanzibar

9 years ago

Reply to Dr. Doom

With WWII considerations in place, where does Newhouser’s 1945 rank all-time, using WAR? This is from 1901- Newhouser’s 11.2 WAR season is tied for 15th. Add his 0.8 WAR on offense and you get get 12.0. This is tied for 11th. Here’s the top pitching seasons since 1901, including offense: 16.0 … Walter Johnson (1913) 14.6 … Walter Johnson (1912) 13.2 … Dwight Gooden (1985) 13.0 … Walter Johnson (1914) 12.8 … Pete Alexander (1920) 12.6 … Cy Young (1901) 12.5 … Steve Carlton (1972) 12.1 … Ed Walsh (1912) 12.1 … Walter Johnson (1915) 12.1 … Roger Clemens (1997)… Read more »

mosc

9 years ago

Drysdale, Nettles, Irvin

Lawrence Azrin

9 years ago

An all ‘keep them on the ballot’ vote:

– Dwight Evans
– Luis Tiant
– Minnie Minoso

David P

9 years ago

Reply to Lawrence Azrin

Lawrence – I think you meant to put this on the 1907 Part 2 thread.

Lawrence Azrin

9 years ago

Reply to David P

@79,

OOPS!! Thanks for pointing that out, I submitted it again, under the proper article.

bells

9 years ago

Not really a high voter turnout this round so far, but it seems like a 3-horse race for the 2 spots. I’m stubbornly sticking to Newhouser who toils in 4th place, as he’s the best on the ballot, but I’m going to give up my hope of some Reggie Smith momentum.

Change from Smith, Newhouser, Wilhelm

Nettles, Newhouser, Wilhelm

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birtelcom

9 years ago

Reply to bells

Yes it’s close at the top. Many of the redemption rounds have shaken out fairly quickly, but this one is a horse race to the end. Tomorrow is the last day of voting!