Game Notes ending Thursday, Aug. 14

Is the year gaining speed, or am I slowing down? Anyway, here’s what I got from Saturday through Thursday, Aug. 14 — going backwards:

 

Saturday: @Brewers 4, Dodgers 1
Thursday: Brewers 6, @Cubs 2 — Welcome back, Mike Fiers: In his first starts since last June, Fiers went a career-best 8 IP on 3 hits and one run, then ravaged the Cubs (and his personal high) with 14 Ks in a mere six scoreless frames. Fiers was a late-blooming find in 2012, with 9.5 K/9 in 22 starts, ranking 5th among all with 100+ IP, and 7th in K%. But injury held him to about 50 IP last year, split between majors and minors, and the signing of Matt Garza last winter forced Fiers to prove himself once more at Triple-A, and wait for a chance. He took care of his end, ranking top-two in the PCL with a 2.55 ERA, 11.3 K/9, 1.5 W/9, 7.6 K/W and 0.95 WHIP. The first opening came from Marco Estrada’s gopheritis, but the chance went to hot prospect Jimmy Nelson, whose Nashville numbers were just as impressive, and he’s held his own in six turns. Garza tweaked an oblique two weeks ago, and Fiers got the call.

  • First double-digit-K outing by a Brewer since Fiers himself in late 2012, with 348 such games rolled up by 119 different pitchers in between. Guess which team has a longer drought, now almost 25 months.
  • A golden sombrero for Javier Baez, now with 17 Ks and no walks in 45 PAs. He logged a steady 4 K/W in the minors.

Thursday: @Royals 7, Athletics 3 — On July 18, 1984, the Royals were 40-51, 8 games behind the Angels and 6th place in the AL West. A 15-5 stretch got them back in the race, which they won with a 44-27 finish. In ’85, on July 21, they were 46-44, 7-1/2 games in back of the Angels; a 17-6 surge got them into contention, and they won with a 45-27 finish. Those are KC’s last playoff appearances, and the biggest deficits overcome in their six division crowns. On July 21 of this year, the Royals lost to Chris Sale, falling to 48-50 and a season-high 8 games behind Detroit. They’ve gone 18-4 since then.

Thursday: @Tigers 5, Pirates 2 — With his club clinging to a wild-card berth, and his bullpen worn down by 27 innings over the last four days, Max Scherzer put his Cy Young stuff on display, fanning 14 in 8 shutout stanzas, with a season-high 121 pitches. He punched out the first four Bucs and eight out of nine, but Francisco Liriano was just as sharp early on, holding Detroit hitless through four. Slumping J.D. Martinez led off the 5th with a blast to the left-field bleachers, then added two-out ribbies in the 6th and 8th — each after an IBB to Victor Martinez and Torii Hunter’s unproductive out — to build a 3-0 lead. Nick Castellanos tacked on two more with another two-out knock in the 8th, making much-needed breathing room. Gaby Sanchez pinch-hit a 2-run shot, bloating Detroit’s 9th-inning ERA up to 6.13 — by far the worst in the last 10 years — but the Pirates could get no closer.

  • Since 2005, 18 other clubs had a 9th-inning ERA between 5.00 and 5.84, including three this year. Of those 18, only the 2008 Brewers either made the playoffs or won more than 82 games. (This year’s Astros, D-backs and ChiSox are well under .500.)
  • J.D. Martinez had been 7 for 43 in 12 games since the trade deadline, at which point his .325/.968 line had made Austin Jackson seem expendable. Tigers outfielders combined for one HR and 11 RBI in their first 12 games this month.
  • An odd line from the A.P. game story: “Scherzer (14-4) took another step toward a second straight American League Cy Young Award….” It seems to me that Scherzer has almost no shot to repeat as CYA winner, with King Felix and Chris Sale about a full run better in ERA. But … compared to last year, he’s slightly improved in RA/9, K/9, HR/9, and IP/G.

Thursday: Dodgers 6, @Bravos 4 — Dee Gordon’s four times aboard led to his first 4-run game, each one cashed by a hit from Adrian Gonzalez or Yasiel Puig. Atlanta rallied against Brian Wilson in the 8th (3 runs, 2 outs, 5.26 ERA), and got the tying run to second base in the 9th with the cleanup spot up. But Justin Upton had left in the 8th with a hammy, and big brother was no match for Kenley Jansen, who rang up B.J.’s MLB-high 150th whiff.

  • In two years with Atlanta, B.J. Upton has hit .150 in high-leverage spots, .173 when trailing in the 7th or later.
  • Two bunt hits and a pair of thefts left Gordon leading the bigs in both — 15 for 31 bunting (3 sacs), 54-13 in steals.
  • I hadn’t noticed that Andrelton Simmons was back in the lineup, until I saw this seed that nailed Puig at home in the 9th. For best results, play from the 1:00 mark: There’s no way in hell that throw’s not gonna bounce — cripes, I though it would hit the mound — but it flew all the way. What an arm!
  • And yes, Puig still leads the majors in baserunning outs, with or without caught stealing and pickoffs.

Thursday: @(?)Nationals 4, Mets 1 — Anyplace where you win 11 straight has to be home, no? It’s a Nats/Expos record for visiting one team, one shy of their best home streak in Washington, and two shy of the franchise home record. They haven’t won more than 8 in a row in any other park since 2005. The Nats are 6-0 in New Shea this year, and 21-4 since 2012. Despite dropping two of three in Atlanta last weekend, the Nats have opened a season-high 6-game lead.

  • Six games with the Mets in the last 10 days revived Washington’s lefty power: Adam LaRoche went 8-19 with 3 HRs, 4 doubles and 8 runs; he had one HR, 4 doubles and 8 runs in 28 games from July 1-August 4. Bryce Harper went 7-20 with 3 HRs, 7 RBI; he had 2 HRs, 5 RBI in 29 games between his return from the DL and the Mets’ visit.
  • Mets HRs since the Break: Duda 7, d’Arnaud 4, Murphy 2, Granderson 1, Recker 1. That’s one outfield homer in 27 games, none from third base. And a 34-15 deficit in HRs, 85-54 in extra-base hits.

Thursday: @Marlins 5, D-backs 4 (10 inn.) — Mike Dunn is 10-5 in just 44.1 innings. No reliever has ever won 10 with less than 61 IP. Dunn leads Miami in wins, #2 in decisions, #9 in IP.

Thursday: Rays 6, @Rangers 3 — Jake Odorizzi notched Tampa’s 8th straight start of 6+ IP and 2 runs or less. Totals for those eight: 7 runs in 52.2 IP, 1.03 ERA, 0.78 WHIP, 58 Ks and 8 walks.

  • The Rays are six games out of a wild-card berth, with five teams to catch. They have 3 games left with Detroit, none with Seattle, 9 with the Blue Jays and Yankees, and 3 with Cleveland, whom they trail by half a game.

Thursday: @Rockies 7, Reds 3 — It’s Jorge De La Rosa in Coors Field. It can’t be explained:

 De La Rosa, 2008-14 W L W-L% ERA GS IP H ER HR BB SO WHIP SB CS WPA Tm
Coors Starts 43 14 .754 4.09 72 414.0 404 188 39 150 372 1.34 36 13 3.3 COL
Road Starts 24 28 .462 4.42 71 392.2 355 193 43 178 328 1.36 34 12 -2.4 COL
Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Play Index Tool Used/Generated 8/15/2014.
  • De La Rosa’s 43 wins in Coors Field are 8 more than any other.
  • His teams are 54-19 in his Coors starts, including one for the Royals. Team records for others with at least 70 Coors starts: Jason Jennings, 45-28; Jeff Francis, 51-40; Aaron Cook, 50-54.
  • Out of 18 pitchers with at least 30 starts in Coors, only Ubaldo Jimenez owns a better Coors ERA, and none has a better home/away ratio.
  • Out of 72 pitchers with 50+ wins since 2008, only Paul Maholm has a higher percentage of his wins at home.

Thursday: @Cardinals 4, Padres 3 — After a Trevor Rosenthal walk loaded the bases, Shane Robinson and A.J. Pierzynski teamed up to save the MLB saves leader from his 5th blown save — Robinson’s first assist since 2012, and Pierzynski’s first tag-out for the Cards. Another walk refilled the sacks, but Rosenthal punched out of it.

  • Rosenthal’s walk rate has doubled from last year (2.4 to 4.8 W/9) –the 3rd-largest rise out of 181 pitchers with 50+ IP each year, whether gauged by percentage or raw difference.

Thursday: @Red Sox 9, Astros 4 — Two doubles for RF Daniel Nava. Measuring Boston’s lack of outfield power (last in MLB slugging and HRs):

  • Their .283 SLG from CF would be their worst by far since 1951 (the dawn of positional splits); next-worst was .319. Their LF and RF slugging marks would be their 3rd- and 4th-worst.
  • No BoSox outfielder will reach 10 HRs, unless someone gets really hot; the departed Jonny Gomes hit 6 as an OF, no one else more than 2. They’ve had at least one OF reach 12 HRs in every full year since 1944.

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Wednesday: @Giants 7, White Sox 1 — Jake Peavy did his best work since April, but until the home 7th it was worth no more than another tough loss, to extend painful skids for both him and his team. Then a debatable overturn tied it up with one out, and left the door open for six two-out runs against hapless ChiSox relievers. Angel Pagan broke the tie with a bags-full single, for his first runs batted in since June 7; after 8 weeks on the DL, Pagan had 7 hits and a walk in 5 games from the leadoff spot, but hadn’t tasted the dish either way.

  • Peavy’s streak of 12 team losses in his starts covered 10 parks and all six divisions.

If this is the right reading of Rule 7.13, then something seems wrong with the plan. As best I can tell, they ruled that Tyler Flowers illegally blocked the plate before he had the ball — even though (a) he did have the ball before Angel Pagan even reached the dirt circle, and (b) that same position is legal when assumed after catching the ball. If that’s how this rule is meant to be enforced, then I’d rather just make every play at the plate an automatic force — or even, as we used to play in short-handed sandlot games with no catcher, “the throw beat you home, you’ve gotta go back to third.

Wednesday: @Mariners 2, Blue Jays 0 — An 8-1 homestand put Seattle’s post-Break stumble squarely in the rear-view mirror, as they’ve regained a wild-card share and separated from the wannabes. Their pitching just gets better and better, from 2.75 R/G in June-July to 1.92 this month (with a 1.83 RA/9 for the starters). Their 12 straight games yielding 3 runs or less is a franchise record (by three), and the longest MLB streak since last June. Kendrys Morales made his first big contribution since coming aboard a week before the deadline, chopping a chest-high floater for a 1st-inning homer that stood up all day.

Wednesday: @Tigers 8, Pirates 4 — For this relief, much thanks: Four scoreless frames by the most beleaguered bullpen outside of the Windy City. Victor Martinez led the rally that overcame Buck Farmer’s choppy debut and stopped a 4-game skid, during which Detroit looked nothing at all like a playoff contender.

Wednesday: @Angels 4, Phillies 3 — Switching teams from the lowest-scoring to the 2nd-highest hasn’t changed Huston Street’s leverage one bit. Five of his seven saves for the Angels protected a one-run lead, the others two runs. His other three outings preserved a tie or one-run deficit in the 9th.

Since 2012, Street has yielded a .173 BA and a mind-boggling .200 BAbip in 139 IP (524 batters). Comparing that to a single season with at least 500 BF, the lowest recorded BAbip through 2013 was .241 (Jered Weaver, 2012), although Chris Young (.225) and Johnny Cueto (.228) are currently looking to best that mark. For a season of 150+ BF, there have been four with BAbip under .200, all last year (led by Tyler Clippard’s .172), with five more in progress this year.

Wednesday: @Orioles 5, Yankees 3 — Two home runs in the 8th lifted Baltimore to a commanding 7.5-game lead over Toronto, and 8 over the shrinking Yanks. The O’s pulled into first on July 3 on a 4-game win streak, and are 23-11 since.

Dellin Betances fanned four out of seven to carry a 2-1 lead through the 6th and 7th, giving him 106 Ks and a flat 40% K rate at that point. Ten others have reached 40% with 100+ Ks, but all were closers with at least 22 saves and 42 games finished, while Betances has one save and 6 GF. Two more setup men have a chance at the mark this year — Brad Boxberger (81 Ks, 43%, one save) and Andrew Miller (76, 40%, no saves).

But Joe Girardi stretched Betances to a career-high 9th batter, and Jonathan Schoop knocked him out with a solo shot, his 11th. And with two down and two Birds aboard against Shawn Kelley, Adam Jones spanked the first pitch for his 23rd HR and a 5-2 bulge.

  • The right-handed Kelley has a big reverse split: RHBs own 24 of his 30 career HRs, the 5th-highest known rate with at least 20 HRs allowed.

Wednesday: @Royals 3, Athletics 0 — Jason Vargas retired 23 straight A’s to complete a 3-hitter on 97 pitches. After going more than a year without a CG shutout, the Royals now have two in five days. Their last against Oakland came from Kevin Appier, in 1996.

Wednesday (nightcap): Arizona 1, @Cleveland 0 (12 inn.) — Arizona’s only other shutout of at least 12 innings is the longest in MLB since their inception. For a longer Cleveland whitewashing, it’s all the way back to 1967, with the Rock tormenting his former team.

  • No AL team has won an interleague shutout longer than 11 innings, which Cleveland did in 2005.
  • The 16th game since 1914 with two scoreless starts of between 5.0 and 5.2 innings.

Wednesday: @Padres 5, Rockies 3 — The Friars are 16-8 since the Break, 10-2 at home. Four hits raised Jedd Gyorko’s BA to a season-high .199.

  • With the sad if not shocking news about Tulo, the NL batting lead devolved upon Justin Morneau’s .324 BA. The last NL crown under .330 went to Terry Pendleton’s .319 in 1991. Six different Rockies have racked up eight of 21 NL titles since they joined the league.

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Tuesday: Athletics 11, @Royals 3 — Streak strikes out.

Tuesday: @Mariners 6, Blue Jays 3 — Three misplays made the margin of victory, as the M’s tied Detroit for the second wild card. Needless aggression by CF Colby Rasmus turned a two-out, no-play single into the tying run in the 3rd. A lazy rundown by rotund backstop Dioner Navarro let the trail runners move up, as he threw behind the trapped Logan Morrison instead of chasing him back to the bag, doubling the value of Dustin Ackley’s two-out hit. The last run scored after Danny Valencia ranged too far from first base (just his 8th game there) and turned a routine 4-3 into a pitcher-covers-first misadventure. Chris Young’s stunningly steady campaign rolled on for his 11th win, matching his total for 2009-13.

  • Spacious Safeco has clearly helped the homer-prone Young go 8-3, 2.35 at home, with just 6 of his 19 HRs allowed, and a .185 BA/.560 OPS that rank 3rd and 10th among those with 60+ IP at home.
  • But Seattle’s 2.97 team ERA is anything but a Safeco mirage. Their 3.04 road ERA would be the best since the ’92 Expos, and the best by an AL team in the DH era.

Tuesday: @Cubs 3, Brewers 0 — Kyle Hendricks got to the majors on great control and home-run prevention, and except for a mild debut hiccup, he’s kept riding that formula to a 4-1 record and 1.73 ERA through six outings. He’s the first Cub since at least 1914 to go 6+ innings on 2 runs or less in 5 of his first 6 games, and the third with 4 games of 7+ IP with those same criteria.

Tuesday: @Rangers 3, Rays 2 (14 inn.) — Adam Rosales drew a 4-pitch walk that forced in the game-winner, just the second walk-off pass since 2000 for the traditionally free-swinging Rangers. Texas also matched a franchise record by giving no walks in 14 innings, their only such game in the DH era, and unmatched in MLB since 1996.

Tuesday: White Sox 3, @Giants 2 (10 inn.) — It took the Giants seven innings to get their 4th hit off the sublime Chris Sale, and about seven minutes to notch the same against Chicago’s ridiculous bullpen, wiping out Sale’s 2-0 lead in spite of a game-saving DP started by Gordon Beckham. But that wasn’t enough to keep the hosts from stumbling into a 5th straight loss and out of a wild-card berth. Beckham answered Brandon Crawford’s two-out heroics with some of his own, cashing a run that began with a 4-pitch walk to Jordan Danks (.210 career BA).

  • Beckham’s qualifications for batting 2nd are very hard to pin down. Well, except for the habit (let’s hope it’s unconscious) of slotting the second baseman into the #2 hole, regardless of skills. In the last 10 years, 2Bs have a plurality of starts in that spot: 2B 27%, SS 21%, CF 13%, LF and RF 11%, 3B 9%, 1B 4%, C and DH 2%.

Tuesday: @Astros 10, Twins 4 — Chris Carter has holes in his swing, but he also has easy power. Only four have more bombs in the last two years, and only Edwin Encarnacion has as many multi-HR games (9).

  • Collin McHugh’s 1.06 WHIP and 9.8 SO/9 rank 8th and 6th among AL’ers with 15+ starts.

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Monday: @Royals 3, Athletics 2 — And the Royals streak into first place … again.

  • Kelvin Herrera’s 75th straight homerless outing tied his own club record; in between, he served 9 HRs in 28 innings, starting with a 3-HR barrage last April 16.
  • Herrera and Wade Davis have current scoreless streaks of 16 and 18 games, both starting June 27; Davis has yielded one run in his last 41 IP.
  • Greg Holland, who worked into and out of trouble Monday for his 12th one-run save, sports the worst ERA (1.74) of that closeout trio, which has combined for a 1.47 RA/9 (24 runs in 147 IP).

Monday: @Mariners 11, Blue Jays 1 — Enough with streaking King Felix, already! How about Brad Miller becoming the first shortstop with a triple, sac fly and sac bunt in the same game? — as well as the first to do that from the #9 spot? Sac fly data only goes back to the ’50s, but so what? And how ’bout those M’s, the first team in five years with exactly one homer, two triples, three doubles, four singles and five walks?

Monday: Orioles 11, Yankees 3 — Bud Norris notched his 5th win of less than 6 innings, one behind teammate Wei-Yin Chen for the MLB lead. The O’s have 18 such wins; Oakland’s next with 11. But with a strong back-end bullpen, why push the starters?

Monday: @Marlins 6, Cardinals 5 — The Fish haven’t folded, holding at 6 games out of 1st and 4.5 back of the overstuffed wild-card race … Of all the things Giancarlo Stanton has done for his team this year, the most positive development is that he’s played every game, starting all but one. And it’s clear from his all-around play that Stanton isn’t content to be just a slugger. Though not built for speed — 6′ 6″, 240 lbs. — his baserunning value is among the league leaders, thanks to career highs of 10 steals (no CS) and 49% XBT. And when a guy who’s already homered twice in the game lays it out on the track for a great catch, you get a hunch that he means to lead this young team by example in every phase.

Monday: Dodgers 6, @Bravos 2 — Kevin Correia’s Dodger debut featured six sturdy frames and his first two-hit game, starting the go-ahead surge in the 6th that scored 3 runs against Julio Teheran on 5 singles. Teheran got six grounders in the inning, plus a pop-up and a looper, but the breaks were against him, not to mention a makeshift middle infield.

  • Atlanta won 6 of the first 11 games in which they scored one or two runs, but just once in their last 25, as the pitching has fallen back to the pack.

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Sunday: @Blue Jays 6, Tigers 5 (19 inn.) — Melky Cabrera is the first Blue Jay ever to draw 5 walks or to reach safely 8 times. The latter has been done 7 times in MLB since 1914 (including the only searchable 9-hit game), most recently by Rod Carew in 1972; only he and Cabrera failed to score even once.

Sunday: Dodgers 5, @Brewers 1 — It’s no surprise that cleanup hitter Aramis Ramirez went 0 for 3 against Clayton Kershaw. Last July 21, Jayson Werth homered twice off Kershaw from the 4th spot, the only hits in his 7 IP. In 31 games since then, #4 hitters are 16 for 86 (.186) with 4 RBI, no homers or triples, 3 doubles (.221 SLG), 6 walks and 29 Ks.

Sunday: @Mariners 4, White Sox 2 — Two years ago, Dominic Leone was a 16th-round draft pick just starting his pro career in the Northwest League. After ripping through three more levels last season — but not reaching Triple-A — Leone made the opening roster this year, and now is a key cog in MLB’s deepest bullpen, if not the best. Seattle’s 2.34 relief ERA would be the best full-season AL mark in the DH era. Their five most-used relievers — all righties — have ERAs of 2.74 or lower in 40+ IP, led by Leone’s 2.06. Only the 2012 Orioles had five relievers (or four righties) with 50+ IP and an ERA of 2.80 or lower.

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Saturday: Padres 2, @Pirates 1 — Four hits or less, nothing but singles: The Padres are 3-6 in such games; all others are 4-91.

  • Francisco Liriano served two runs on three hits and a HBP in the 1st, then retired 19 in a row … In the 8th, Pittsburgh got the tying and lead runs into scoring position with no outs, but Kevin Quackenbush worked through his own troubles: soft liner to 2B by Ike Davis, Starling Marte’s 100th strikeout, and a can o’ corn by Gregory Polanco.

Saturday: @Athletics 9, Twins 4 — Seven walks and no strikeouts in Trevor May‘s debut, just the second such debut as a starter. Eight have done that in a relief debut, none wilder than Chris Haughey. In the 1943 season finale, which happened to be Haughey’s 18th birthday, Whit Wyatt left after one inning, and the youngster went the rest of the way, walking 10 Reds without a whiff — not counting the three times he fanned against Johnny Vander Meer. It was apparently Haughey’s first game in organized baseball, and it would be his last in the majors. No other modern pitcher walked more than eight in a one-game career.

Saturday: Marlins 4, @Reds 3 — WP: B.Penny, 1-0. I strenously object!

Saturday: @Angels 5, Red Sox 4 (19 inn.) — Each team tied a club record by using 9 pitchers. Boston’s 5 such games are all since 2001. The first such game for the Angels was in 1963 — a mere 13 innings, but skipper Bill Rigney used four arms in the 10th alone, escaping bags full with no outs.

Among the two longer Angels games … July 9, 1971 — The A’s beat the Angels in 20 innings, 1-0, with a total of seven pitchers used. Vida Blue, two weeks before his 22nd birthday, and well on his way to the Cy Young Award with a 17-3 record and 1.51 ERA, worked 11 innings and fanned 17 without a walk. Rollie Fingers took the next 7 stanzas, followed up by two short stints. For the Angels, Rudy May worked 12 frames on just three singles, none after the 5th (although he did walk six to go with his 13 Ks); Eddie Fisher took five, and Mel Queen took the loss in his third inning.

Blue’s next start was the All-Star Game, going 3 innings on his regular rest and yielding homers to Johnny Bench and Henry Aaron. Three days later, Blue one-hit the Tigers, and then (on 4 days’s rest) took another 11-IP no-decision, 11 Ks and no walks, passing the 200 mark in strikeouts and innings on July 21.

 

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bstar
bstar
10 years ago

John, you never answered your own question: what the hell does come after cliff dive?

Now Atlanta has MLB’s best team blowing into town this weekend. Freakin’ wonderful. Acapulco, here we come!

David P
David P
10 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

The Blue Jays would like to be part of this conversation. And perhaps the Brewers in a few weeks.

David P
David P
10 years ago

Something unusual from last Sunday’s Cleveland – New York game. Cleveland’s outfielder’s batted 7th, 8th, and 9th in the lineup.

I’m sure it’s happened before in the 40+ years of the DH but it still strikes me as quite unusual that a team’s outfielders would be batting in the last 3 spots.

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
10 years ago
Reply to  David P

For the games from May 2 to May 4, 1992, the Tigers had OF Deer, Carreon and Cuyler batted 7th, 8th and 9th. It happened on other occasions.

David P
David P
10 years ago

Thanks Richard. I think the Tigers “win” for those first two games. Not only did their outfielders bat 7th, 8th and 9th, but their DH – Tony Phillips – led off.

Luis Gomez
Luis Gomez
10 years ago

On the 1971 Angels-A’s game, between both team’s third and fourth hitters, a combined 2 for 31. Also, 20 innings in 5:05 does not looks like a great amount of time for a game of that lenght.

Scary Tuna
Scary Tuna
10 years ago

Re: First double-digit-K outing by a Brewer since Fiers himself in late 2012, with 348 such games rolled up by 119 different pitchers in between. Guess which team has a longer drought, now almost 25 months. No Twins pitcher has recorded double-digit strikeouts in a game since Francisco Liriano (in consecutive starts of 15 and 10 Ks) in July, 2012. Phil Hughes nearly broke the streak (now at 353 games, if my tally is right) when he fanned nine Padres on August 5th. Liriano has four games of 10+ Ks these past two season with the Pirates. Johan Santana hit… Read more »

Jim McDevitt
Jim McDevitt
10 years ago

This might not be the right place to ask this, but I’m hoping one of you fine people here might be able to help me find an answer to a baseball trivia question that’s been bugging me. I recently saw where Elias confirmed that Ryan Howard, Chase Utley, and Jimmy Rollins set a new record for most games started by the same 1B/2B/SS trio, breaking the record previously held by Steve Garvey, Davey Lopes, and Bill Russell. It got me wondering what trio holds the record for most games started by the same outfield trio. I figured someone had to… Read more »

Hartvig
Hartvig
10 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

Another Yankee outfield trio to consider might be DiMaggio/Henrich/Keller

Another option in Boston would be Rice/Lynn/Evans.

bstar
bstar
10 years ago
Reply to  Hartvig

It’s a good thought, but Yaz returned to left field part-time in ’76 and ’78 and almost full-time in ’77. Rice DH’ed 116 games in 1977. Also, Fred Lynn was hurt a lot in his prime with the Sox, missing a full season’s worth of games from 1975-1980 before leaving for the Angels.

I thought of Cromartie/Dawson/Valentine in Montreal, but their ’77-’79 run ended when the Expos moved Cromartie to first after acquiring Ron LeFlore for the 1980 season.

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
10 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

One crude way to find some possibilities is to use the PI and do a team-by-team search for three OF with 1000+ G in overlapping time periods. In addition to the combos already mentioned there are:
Browns: Jacobson, Tobin, Williams
Blue Jays: Barfield, Bell, Moseby
Reds: Foster, Griffey, Geronimo

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
10 years ago

Red Sox: Hooper, Lewis, Speaker

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
10 years ago

I figured out a way to determine how often the same three OF started together in the same game. Barfield, Moseby and Bell did it 552 times. I may check some others.

no statistician but
no statistician but
10 years ago

RC:

Wish you’d try Speaker, Lewis, Hooper, if your method extends back to their six years together. I’m sure their mutual starts exceed 552.

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
10 years ago

nsb: Data only goes back to 1914. That cuts out most of their years together. JA: First you have to determine which players played together on the same team for several years. See my post 16. Knowing the years they played together, go to that team’s page in BR and get the listing of the defensive starting lineups for each of those years. Paste all of those lineups into your own spreadsheet. Then by using the =IF(…) function you can identify all the games in which they played together. It’s difficult to explain but once you have pasted all the… Read more »

Jim McDevitt
Jim McDevitt
10 years ago

Awesome information, Richard. Thanks for sharing that. I have to think the true record for outfield trio is higher than 552, though. The Howard/Utley/Rollins 1B/2B/SS record is up around 900 and counting now.

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
10 years ago

@34:

On BR click on teams, select a team and a year. Then place your cursor on the word “Other”. That opens a drop-down menu. Click on Def. Lineups. When you paste it into an Excel spreadsheet select Paste Special, HTML.

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
10 years ago

@33:
The 552 is not necessarily a record, it’s just one I happened to run.
I also did Geronimo, Griffey and Foster. Their total was 375. You have to be a bit lucky in selecting your players. When I do find three guys with a high number I have no way of knowing if it’s a record.

David P
David P
10 years ago

The “other” button is great! BTW, there’s a new tool that BR added a few months ago that I really like. If you go to a league page (e.g. 2014 AL) and scroll down, you’ll see a chart called 2014 AL Wins Above Average by Position. http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/AL/2014.shtml Underneath the table is a tool that you can use to create your own comparison. You can select year, league, and stat (there are about 25-30 stats to choose from). On the table itself you can highlight a particular team. And if you hover over a position, it will show you show you… Read more »

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
10 years ago

@33:

Jim: Do you remember the exact number, my analysis showed 899 games as of right now?

Jim McDevitt
Jim McDevitt
10 years ago

@40: I believe your number is right, Richard. I found the original tidbit in the research notes along with the ESPN game recap from the Astros/Phillies game on 8/5/2014. http://espn.go.com/mlb/recap?id=340805122 “From Elias: Ryan Howard, Chase Utley and Jimmy Rollins have started their 887th game together at first base, second base and shortstop, respectively. That’s the most starts in major league history by three teammates at those three positions, breaking a tie with the Dodgers trio of Steve Garvey, Davey Lopes and Bill Russell.” By my count the Howard/Utley/Rollins trio has started 12 games together since, but only 11 games in… Read more »

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
10 years ago

@41:
Jim: I can’t answer your question about which trio started the most games regardless of position but I can give you this list of “Most Years Together for Three Teammates”, position players only.

15…George Brett, Hal McCrae and Frank White
15…George Brett, Frank White and Willie Wilson
15…Jim Gantner, Paul Molitor and Robin Yount
14…Fred Clarke, Tommy Leach and Honus Wagner
14…Carl Furillo, Duke Snider and Gil Hodges
14…Norm Cash, Dick McAuliffe and Al Kaline

Jim McDevitt
Jim McDevitt
10 years ago

That’s a delightful list, Richard. Thank you. 15 years is an awful long time for three guys to be teammates together. Howard, Utley and Rollins are in year 11 together, but I’d be shocked if it went more than a year or two more as Howard is deep into his decline years already, although he does have two more years, plus a third year option remaining on his contract. Good stuff. Really love this discussion. I figured the community here would be able to get us going in the right direction on finding an answer to my original query. Thanks,… Read more »

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
10 years ago

@43 Jim: My methodology described in post 32 is wearisome in that quite a few pages have to be copied and pasted. I have found an easy way to get an approximate number of mutual games started by three players. As an example I selected one group of players from my post 42, Furillo, Snider and Hodges. Their 14 overlapping years are 1947-1960. I ran the PI Game Finder for games started by those guys during those years. The results were Furillo, 1500 games, Snider, 1593 games and Hodges, 1790 games. This means that the maximum number of mutual games… Read more »

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
10 years ago

@44

My statement about the minimum number of mutual games is incorrect, ignore it.

Brent
Brent
10 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

How about the Tigers Outfield before Heilmann, which would have been Crawford, Cobb, Veach or maybe Crawford, Cobb and Jones?

Luzinski, Maddox, McBride from 1977 to 1980 Phillies?

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
10 years ago
Reply to  Brent

Luzinski played 547 games with the Phils during that time period so the games played together by those 3 will be almost certainly less than that number.

oneblankspace
10 years ago
Reply to  Jim McDevitt

For the outfield trios would you consider Meusel-Combs-Ruth to be the same trio as Ruth-Combs-Meusel or not ? or are you interested in both ?

Jim Bouldin
Jim Bouldin
10 years ago
Reply to  Jim McDevitt

Relatedly, I’d like to know what trios turned the most 5-4-3, 6-4-3 and 4-6-3 DPs.

Jim McDevitt
Jim McDevitt
10 years ago

I would consider them the same. I’m just really curious what three teammates started the most games in the same outfield together.

no statistician but
no statistician but
10 years ago
Reply to  Jim McDevitt

Speaker, Lewis, and Hooper for Boston AL 1910-1915 had a long run as regulars. Meusel and Combs only overlapped for five years, and in one of those the Babe missed a third of the season, while Meusel missed about a third twice.

RJ
RJ
10 years ago

– “Arizona’s only other shutout of at least 12 innings is the longest in MLB since their inception.” The losing Giants pitcher in that 2001 game: Ryan Vogelsong. -Regarding Tulowitzki: he has six seasons at the (cherry-picked) 5.3 WAR level through his first nine seasons. Only 15 other position players have more seasons at that level through their first nine years. Tulo missed a combined 184 games in those six seasons. -Regarding Vida Blue: I did not know that he never won a World Series game. It seems crazy that he wasn’t even in the rotation for the ’72 postseason… Read more »

Brent
Brent
10 years ago

1984 and 1985 Royals have nothing on the 77 Royals, who on August 2 were a respectable 56-45, but 5.5 games behind the South Side Hit Men from Chicago and a couple games behind Rod Carew’s .382 BA and the rest of the Twins. From that point, they went 46-15 (including a 35-4 stretch from August 17 to September 25) to run away with the Division. The West that year was pretty good. The 2nd place Rangers won 94 games, but finished 8 games back. The third place ChiSox won 90 and finished 12 back. The Twins faded to 4th… Read more »

brp
brp
10 years ago

Re: no Red Sox outfielder getting to 10 HR, Cespedes does have 3. It’s not out of the question for him to pop 7 HRs in the last 40ish games. Still, that’s remarkable to have such a total lack of power from all 3 OF spots.

Voomo Zanzibar
Voomo Zanzibar
10 years ago

Nine games today.
The nine losers scored a total of six runs.

Daniel Longmire
Daniel Longmire
10 years ago
Reply to  Voomo Zanzibar

Indeed; the hitting drought was in full effect. David Price was the hardest of hard-luck losers: he allowed just one hit (a first-inning triple) that cashed in a ROE. After that, he set down 23 batters in a row. Apparently, he’s the first pitcher in at least a century to lose a one-hit, no-walk, no-earned run start.