Circle of Greats 1922 Part 1 Balloting

This post is for voting and discussion in the 60th round of balloting for the Circle of Greats (COG).  This round begins to add those players born in 1922.  Rules and lists are after the jump.

Players born in 1922 will be brought on to the COG eligible list over two rounds, split in half based on last names — the top half by alphabetical order this round and the bottom half next round.  This round’s new group joins the holdovers from previous rounds to comprise the full set of players eligible to receive your votes this round.

As usual, the new group of 1922-born players, in order to join the eligible list, must have played at least 10 seasons in the major leagues or generated at least 20 Wins Above Replacement (“WAR”, as calculated by baseball-reference.com, and for this purpose meaning 20 total WAR for everyday players and 20 pitching WAR for pitchers).

Each submitted ballot, if it is to be counted, must include three and only three eligible players.  The one player who appears on the most ballots cast in the round is inducted into the Circle of Greats.  Players who fail to win induction but appear on half or more of the ballots that are cast win four added future rounds of ballot eligibility.  Players who appear on 25% or more of the ballots cast, but less than 50%, earn two added future rounds of ballot eligibility.  Any other player in the top 9 (including ties) in ballot appearances, or who appears on at least 10% of the ballots, wins one additional round of ballot eligibility.

All voting for this round closes at 11:59 PM EDT Friday, June 13, while changes to previously cast ballots are allowed until 11:59 PM EDT Wednesday, June 11.  Note that, in response to a request from a West Coast-located commenter for a bit more time to vote on the last night of balloting, the end time for voting that we have been using has been moved an hour later.

If you’d like to follow the vote tally, and/or check to make sure I’ve recorded your vote correctly, you can see my ballot-counting spreadsheet for this round here: COG 1922 Round 1 Vote Tally.  I’ll be updating the spreadsheet periodically with the latest votes.  Initially, there is a row in the spreadsheet for every voter who has cast a ballot in any of the past rounds, but new voters are entirely welcome — new voters will be added to the spreadsheet as their ballots are submitted.  Also initially, there is a column for each of the holdover candidates; additional player columns from the new born-in-1922 group will be added to the spreadsheet as votes are cast for them.

Choose your three players from the lists below of eligible players.  The 12 current holdovers are listed in order of the number of future rounds (including this one) through which they are assured eligibility, and alphabetically when the future eligibility number is the same.  The new group of 1922 birth-year guys are listed below in order of the number of seasons each played in the majors, and alphabetically among players with the same number of seasons played.  In total there were 20 players born in 1922 who met the “10 seasons played or 20 WAR” minimum requirement.  Ten of those are being added to the eligible list this round (alphabetically from Joe Astroth to George Kell).  The ten players further down in the alphabet will be added next round.

Holdovers:
Sandy Koufax (eligibility guaranteed for 14 rounds)
Edgar Martinez (eligibility guaranteed for 5 rounds)
Whitey Ford (eligibility guaranteed for 3 rounds)
Kenny Lofton (eligibility guaranteed for 3 rounds)
Willie McCovey (eligibility guaranteed for 2 rounds)
Minnie Minoso (eligibility guaranteed for 2 rounds)
Richie Ashburn (eligibility guaranteed for this round only)
Craig Biggio (eligibility guaranteed for this round only)
Larry Doby (eligibility guaranteed for this round only)
Harmon Killebrew (eligibility guaranteed for this round only)
Eddie Murray (eligibility guaranteed for this round only)
Ryne Sandberg (eligibility guaranteed for this round  only)

Everyday Players (born in 1922, ten or more seasons played in the major leagues or at least 20 WAR):
Carl Furillo
George Kell
Hank Bauer
Al Dark
Grady Hatton
Gil Coan
Joe Astroth
Joe Collins

Pitchers (born in 1922, ten or more seasons played in the major leagues or at least 20 WAR):
Ewell Blackwell
Joe Coleman

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Bryan O'Connor
Editor
10 years ago

Most Wins Above Average, excluding negative seasonal totals:

Martinez 41.3
Lofton 39.3
McCovey 38.9
Sandberg 38.8
Biggio 36.3
Ashburn 33.9
Murray 33.7
Killebrew 33.0
Koufax 32.3
Doby 32.2
Minoso 30.6
Ford 29.3
Kell 17.6

Martinez, Koufax, and my first vote for Kenny Lofton

Steve
Steve
10 years ago
Reply to  Bryan O'Connor

Isn’t excluding negative seasonal totals kinda like excluding outs when calculating batting averages?

Bryan O'Connor
Editor
10 years ago
Reply to  Steve

I use WAA instead of WAR because a measure of greatness should reflect how much more value a player provided than the average player (or some higher standard, if it were easily accessible), rather than a readily available scrub. Excluding negative seasonal totals saves a guy like Pete Rose or Craig Biggio from being punished for hanging on too long. Was Rose a less-great player because he had a few bad years at the end?

I got the idea from Adam’s Hall of Sstats, which uses adjWAA as one of its inputs in calculating Hall Rating.

Bryan O'Connor
Editor
10 years ago
Reply to  Bryan O'Connor

Vote change: I think Koufax is deserving, and that he’ll ultimately get in. I know Edgar is deserving, and I worry about him getting in. Therefore:

Martinez, Lofton, Doby

J.R.
J.R.
10 years ago

Koufax, Biggio, Killebrew.

mo
mo
10 years ago

Koufax, Ashburn, Ford

wx
wx
10 years ago

Sandy Koufax, Richie Ashburn, Edgar Martinez

Steve
Steve
10 years ago

Sandy Koufax
Whitey Ford
Willie McCovey

Edgar Martinez sorry no room for DHs… yet

JEV
JEV
10 years ago

Koufax, McCovey, Killebrew

T-Bone
T-Bone
10 years ago

Sandberg
Lofton
Killebrew

Abbott
Abbott
10 years ago

Murray, Biggio, McCovey

Jeff Harris
Jeff Harris
10 years ago

Martinez, Lofton , McCovey

donburgh
donburgh
10 years ago

I expected Kiner to be on this ballot. I guess I’ll have to wait.

Biggio, Lofton, Martinez

Andy
Andy
10 years ago

Koufax, Ford, McCovey

Low T
Low T
10 years ago

Martinez, Lofton, Sandberg

Doug
Editor
10 years ago

Some tidbits on the new players on this ballot. – Carl Furillo (1953) and Tommy Davis (1962-63) are the only post-war Dodger outfielders to win the NL batting title. Furillo missed out on a career .300 BA by the narrowest of margins – one fewer AB would have done it. – George Kell’s 8 straight seasons (1946-53) batting .300 (min. 400 PA) are second among 3rd basemen to only Wade Boggs with 9 consecutive years (1983-91). – Hank Bauer teamed with Mickey Mantle and Gene Woodling to man the Yankee outfield of the early 1950s. Each had 4+ WAR in… Read more »

David Horwich
David Horwich
10 years ago
Reply to  Doug

2 of the catchers with 500+ GP with one franchise and no position other than catcher are Mike Scioscia and Roy Campanella.

Doug
Editor
10 years ago
Reply to  David Horwich

Correct.

One other easy one. The rest are harder.

David Horwich
David Horwich
10 years ago
Reply to  Doug

I suppose Bill Dickey is the other easy one. Jason Varitek would make it if not for the DH.

David Horwich
David Horwich
10 years ago
Reply to  David Horwich

As for the more obscure, I have Bruce Benedict, Tony Eusebio, Ron Hodges, and Larry Woodall. So I’m missing one.

I note that altjhough Hodges and Woodall both had careers of more than 500 GP, neither of them had 500 defensive games as a catcher.

Miguel Montero would also make the list if not for the DH.

Doug
Editor
10 years ago
Reply to  David Horwich

You have all of them.

Astroth is the eighth.

David Horwich
David Horwich
10 years ago
Reply to  David Horwich

Oh. Right. Duh.

David P
David P
10 years ago
Reply to  Doug

Anyone other than Tommy Davis do the following?

1) Over 150 RBI in a single season with no other season above 89.
2) 120 runs scored with no other seasons above 72 (!)
3) 230 base hits with no other season above 181.

Doug
Editor
10 years ago
Reply to  David P

Answers are No, No (assuming Matt Carpenter has another 73 run season) and Yes (Darin Erstad).

David P
David P
10 years ago
Reply to  Doug

Thanks Doug, much appreciated!

Doug
Editor
10 years ago
Reply to  Doug

No guesses on the the four players besides Al Dark to play 50+ games for each of 5 NL teams from 1901 to 1960. All interesting players: Rk Player G  ▾ From To Age Tm 1 Rabbit Maranville 2670 5 1912 1935 20-43 BSN-PIT-CHC-BRO-STL 2 Gus Mancuso 1416 5 1928 1945 22-39 STL-NYG-CHC-BRO-PHI 3 Casey Stengel 1235 5 1912 1925 21-34 BRO-PIT-PHI-NYG-BSN 4 Eddie Stanky 1157 5 1943 1953 27-37 CHC-BRO-BSN-NYG-STL Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Play Index Tool UsedGenerated 6/7/2014.   Stengel is the only one of the 5 to play 100 games for each team. Dark is the only… Read more »

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
10 years ago
Reply to  Doug

Gil Coan was involved in one of the most lop-sided trades ever. On 2/18/54 he was traded straight up from the Senators to the Orioles for Roy Sievers. Coan played 3 more years accumulating 464 PA, an OPS+ of 80, 3 HR, 32 RBI and -1.3 WAR. Sievers, on the other hand, fared a bit better. He played until 1965 accumulating 5941 PA, an OPS+ of 131, 283 HR, 948 RBI and 25.2 WAR. He led the AL in HR, RBI and TB in 1957, and his OPS+ of 164 trailed only Williams, Mantle, Mays, Musial and Aaron..

Insert Name Here
Insert Name Here
10 years ago

Initial vote:

1. Kenny Lofton (6.8 WAR/162 during 1992-99)
2. Sandy Koufax (7.8 WAR/season during 1961-66)
3. Larry Doby (6.2 WAR/162 during 1948-56)

Ranking of other candidates:

4. Ryne Sandberg (6.2 WAR/162 during 1984-92)
5. Craig Biggio (5.8 WAR/162 during 1991-99)
6. Willie McCovey (6.7 WAR/162 during 1963-70)
7. Edgar Martínez (6.4 WAR/162 during 1995-2001)
8. Harmon Killebrew (5.3 WAR/162 during 1959-70)
9. Minnie Miñoso (5.7 WAR/162 during 1951-59)
10. Eddie Murray (5.7 WAR/162 during 1978-86)
11. Richie Ashburn (5.3 WAR/162 during 1951-60)
12. Al Dark (5.2 WAR/162 during 1948-53)

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
10 years ago

This in reference to doug’s tidbits. Babe ruth, earle combs and ben chapman had consecutive seasons of 4+ war as outfielders.

Doug
Editor
10 years ago

Those 1931-32 Yankees are one of the teams.

bstar
10 years ago
Reply to  Doug

I cheated because my initial guesses fell flat: -’70s Red Sox: Rice/Dewey/F Lynn never all had 4 WAR in one year -late ’70s Expos: Dawson/Cromartie/Ellis V only did it in 1978 -early ’90s Pirates: Bonds/Bonilla/Van Slyke came very close a couple years. All three did have 4+ WAR in 1988, but Bobby Bo was still butchering third base back then and wouldn’t move to right until 1990. I’ll give a hint about the last team to have consecutive seasons with 3 4+ WAR outfielders: one of the players was a probable Hall-of-Famer-to-be playing out of position in the outfield for… Read more »

Artie Z.
Artie Z.
10 years ago

I went the same route as bstar at first with the 1970s Red Sox. But then I remembered the Cobb/Heilmann/Veach outfields. 1921-1922 Tigers.

bstar
10 years ago
Reply to  Artie Z.

Same wavelength. I thought of the Cobb Tigers, too, Artie, but couldn’t nail down a specific year because Tyrus often also shows up on these lists of high-WAR teammates paired with Sam Crawford/Veach/whoever in the 1910s.

Artie Z
Artie Z
10 years ago

They definitely qualify on the WAR aspect:

1892-1895 Philadelphia Phillies
Ed Delahanty (4.4, 6.0, 6.9, 6.9)
Billy Hamilton the Elder (6.1, 5.0, 8.2, 6.2)
Sam Thompson (4.7, 4.2, 5.2, 6.0)

Doug
Editor
10 years ago

These are the 8 teams since 1901 with the same outfielders repeating at 4 WAR per man. Rk Year Tm Lg #Matching 1 2002-03 Atlanta Braves NL 3 Andruw Jones / Chipper Jones / Gary Sheffield 2 1990-91 Oakland Athletics AL 3 Jose Canseco / Dave Henderson / Rickey Henderson 3 1980-81 Oakland Athletics AL 3 Tony Armas / Rickey Henderson / Dwayne Murphy 4 1970-71 San Francisco Giants NL 3 Bobby Bonds / Ken Henderson / Willie Mays 5 1969-70 Baltimore Orioles AL 3 Paul Blair / Don Buford / Frank Robinson 6 1952-53 New York Yankees AL 3… Read more »

oneblankspace
oneblankspace
10 years ago
Reply to  Doug

In 1985, I saw an A’s game at Old Comiskey. Their starting left fielder was Henderson…

Steve Henderson.

Yippeeyappee
Yippeeyappee
10 years ago

Killebrew
Biggio
McCovey

Gary Bateman
Gary Bateman
10 years ago

Ford, Minoso and Ashburn

jeff hill
jeff hill
10 years ago

Lofton, Martinez, Ford

Koufax had 6.6 WAR after 6 seasons. Then 10.3 in his next two and then10.7/7.1/8.4/10.3. I just can’t forgive a 4 year dominance and a two year very good for being better than Whitey Ford’s very consistent career. I know I’m mostly alone in this and that’s fine, I fully expect him to be the next inducted member.

Chris C
Chris C
10 years ago

Biggio, Sandberg, Edgar.

Doug
Editor
10 years ago

I’m trying to find some rationale for casting a vote George Kell’s way. But, I just don’t see it.
– Not a power hitter at all, only average defensively.
– One batting crown and one season with each of 200 hits, 100 runs and 50 doubles.
– Only 37 WAR for his career, less than 20 other 3rd baseman who were *not* selected for the HOF

Evidently, it was the mystique of a .300 career BA (and beating Ted Williams for a batting title).

Ford, Doby, Murray

robbs
robbs
10 years ago
Reply to  Doug

Doug; It’s likely his success in HOF voting stemmed from his broadcasting career, as he went from 13.7% in 1967 to 36.8% in 1977. Liked him as broadcaster, though that’s my Tiger boyhood bias showing. Not certain how many still living(!) HOF members the Circle of Greats will replace, but my guess is he makes an early departure from COG eligibility. Hall of Fame 1964 BBWAA (16.4%) 1964 Run Off ( 4.0%) 1966 BBWAA ( 9.6%) 1967 BBWAA (13.7%) 1967 Run Off ( 3.6%) 1968 BBWAA (16.6%) 1969 BBWAA (17.6%) 1970 BBWAA (30.0%) 1971 BBWAA (29.2%) 1972 BBWAA (29.0%) 1973… Read more »

Doug
Doug
10 years ago
Reply to  robbs

It never hurts to be popular. 🙂

And, it can bite you if you’re not (just ask Kevin Brown).

bstar
10 years ago

Koufax, Biggio, Murray

BryanM
BryanM
10 years ago

lofton biggio richie ashburn

opal611
opal611
10 years ago

For the 1922-Part 1 election, I’m voting for:
-Ryne Sandberg
-Edgar Martinez
-Craig Biggio

Other top candidates I considered highly (and/or will consider in future rounds):
-Lofton
-Murray
-McCovey
-Killebrew
-Ashburn
-Koufax
-Ford

Darien
10 years ago

Lofton, Sandberg, and Biggio

Mike G.
Mike G.
10 years ago

Martinez, Lofton, Sandberg

PaulE
PaulE
10 years ago

Doug,
DiMaggio, Keller, Heinrich
Williams, DiMaggio, Zarilla
Stargell, Alou, Clemente
These areall top of my head guesses.

I know it wouldn’t be Otero Amaro and Braulio Castillo-this is where the Phillies are headed with Brown Revere Mayberry. Wha t would be the lowest collective WAR by an entire outfield ina single season?

Doug
Doug
10 years ago
Reply to  PaulE

Actually, none of those Paul. At least, not in consecutive seasons.

The results are shown above in comment 53, posted in reply to comment 17.

PaulE
PaulE
10 years ago

Sandberg, McCovey, Koufax

koma
koma
10 years ago

Sandy Koufax, Whitey Ford, Craig Biggio

latefortheparty
latefortheparty
10 years ago

Ryne Sandberg
Kenny Lofton
Edgar Martinez

Vote 4 would be for Sandy Koufax.

MJ
MJ
10 years ago

Edgar Martinez, Kenny Lofton, Ryne Sandberg

Dr. Remulak
Dr. Remulak
10 years ago

Biggio, Koufax, Ford.

bells
bells
10 years ago

Here’s the vote according to my methodology. I take four measures of player value as a gauge of how players compare across advanced metrics that value things slightly differently. Then I give them a cumulative rank with all players on the ballot over 50 WAR, adding their ranking of each measure. Here are the measures: WAR – is it too new to call it ‘classic’? Well, it’s the ‘classic’ way of measuring a player’s value over a player the team could have gotten to replace the player, over that player’s career, to show how ‘good’ that player was. WAA+ –… Read more »

ATarwerdi96
10 years ago

Edgar Martinez, Willie McCovey, Ryne Sandberg

Mike HBC
Mike HBC
10 years ago

Koufax, Ford, Biggio

Mike HBC
Mike HBC
10 years ago

Koufax, Ford, Biggio

oneblankspace
oneblankspace
10 years ago

Biggio, Minoso, and the namesake of the fieldgoal kicker for the Detroit Lions, Eddie Murray

Dr. Doom
Dr. Doom
10 years ago

Just had a really great, really short vacation. So I’m a little late to the party. Nonetheless, here are my votes:

Ryne Sandberg
Edgar Martinez (and a special “welcome to my ballot for the first time” to…)
Kenny Lofton

Dr. Doom
Dr. Doom
10 years ago
Reply to  Dr. Doom

I just looked back a ways… it appears mine is the sixth (I think; I may have miscounted) ballot of exactly these three players. Who knew so many of us were in agreement?

Jeff
Jeff
10 years ago

Sandberg, Ford, Bidge

Scary Tuna
Scary Tuna
10 years ago

Killebrew, Biggio, Murray.

Artie Z.
Artie Z.
10 years ago

The most difficult round to date. I’ll keep two of my Board of Ed (the 3rd having been elected last round): Eddie, Edgar, and, while I usually go for more long haul types, no one else really jumps out at me, so here’s my first vote for Koufax. Last round Duke had a peak that could come close to Koufax. This round I don’t think there’s anyone who has a 6-year peak much better than Koufax’s 4-year peak, nor do they have an 8-year peak much better than Koufax’ 6-year peak. Looking at McCovey’s best 8 seasons he’s at 48.3… Read more »

BillH
BillH
10 years ago

Murray, McCovey, Ford

Hartvig
Hartvig
10 years ago

As usual with most people born during this era a lot of these new guys lost time to military service. Since the only HOFer of the bunch is one of the relatively few who didn’t and even then is still a VERY marginal HOF pick I don’t see that any of them have a case for the COG. Among the holdovers I have a couple of issues. First I’m still not convinced that defensive metrics have Ashburn/Lofton pegged correctly. I’m inclined to think that the either both belong or both do not and I’m not sure which so for now… Read more »

Voomo Zanzibar
Voomo Zanzibar
10 years ago

Vote:

Kenny Lofton
Minnie Minoso
Eddie Murray

PP
PP
10 years ago

Since I’m voting an all M ballot I checked to see which letter had the most inductees. M has it 10 to 8 over B. Still trying to figure out which letter’s better.

McCovey, Minoso, Murray.

Mike L
Mike L
10 years ago
Reply to  PP

Interesting. The frequency list of letters in general usage is E,A,R,I,O,T,N,S,L,C,U,D,P,M,H,G,B,F,Y,W,K,V,X,Z,J,Q. But Last Names are very different. M,S,W,B and H alone comprise close to 44% of the starting initials of all US last names. “M” clearly has the most “NAR”

oneblankspace
oneblankspace
10 years ago
Reply to  Mike L

and J is much more common as an initial than as a letter in general.

no statistician but
no statistician but
10 years ago
Reply to  Mike L

Names don’t tell you a lot in a small sample. Smith is still the most common name in the U.S., but not in the baseball hagiology. Johnson, the second most common, fares a little better. One Ozzie to Walter and Randy. Williams, third in popularity, provides us with Ted and maybe Billie. Robinson comes through with Jackie, Frank, and Brooks even though it is 27th most common.

A Rose by any other name would smell like Pete.

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
10 years ago

Just for the record here are the 8 most common last names in ML history, in order. Smith, Johnson, Jones, Miller, Brown, Williams, Wilson and Davis.

PP
PP
10 years ago

I would imagine in the future, ten or twenty years, a last name like Martinez might crack the top ten?

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
10 years ago

@92: According to my reference book, as of 2009, the most common Latino names are Hernandez and Perez, each with 18. On my list in comment 70, there are 66 players named Davis.

David Horwich
David Horwich
10 years ago

According to this quiz on sporcle:

http://www.sporcle.com/games/TwoSheds/ballnames

the most common Hispanic last names are Martinez, Hernandez, and Rodriguez. I make no promises about the accuracy of this list; at the very least, it’s a little out of date.

Searching bb-ref for various names and then counting by hand, I come up with:

Martinez 44
Rodriguez 43
Gonzalez/Gonzales 40
Hernandez 40
Garcia 35
Perez 32
Ramirez 28
Lopez 22
Cruz 21

None of these are top 10 – yet.

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
10 years ago

@94: My reference book is The Baseball Maniac’s Almanac 2nd Edition, edited by Bart Randolph Sugar. The 3rd edition does not have the list of Latino names, now I know why.

David Horwich
David Horwich
10 years ago

Yes, it’s a rapidly changing list.

I also found 22 instances of “Sanchez” – my list @97 isn’t comprehensive, although I checked several other likely suspects.

PP
PP
10 years ago

Hah, when I searched for Martinez it included Reginald. I believe he would, of course, want to be counted there too?

David Horwich
David Horwich
10 years ago

Heh. To keep things simple I ignored all matronymics, middle names, other names played under, and whatever else.

David Horwich
David Horwich
10 years ago

In case anyone’s still interested, here’s revised list of the most common Hispanic names:

Martinez 44
Rodriguez 43
Gonzalez/Gonzales 40
Hernandez 40
Garcia 35
Perez 32
Ramirez 28
Lopez 22
Sanchez 22
Cruz 21
Pena 21

RJ
RJ
10 years ago

@158 Not only is Gonzales a rare variation of Gonzalez, it’s also not a particularly successful one. The two pitching Gonzaleses have a combined 33 IP, and two of the three hitting Gonzaleses combine for only 28 PA. Utility infielder Rene Gonzales is the only “s” with a meaningful career.

I would also like to point out the existence of both a Germán González and a Gonzalez German Germen, the latter owning my favourite name amongst current major leaguers.

David Horwich
David Horwich
10 years ago

Martinez, McCovey, Sandberg

Mike HBC
Mike HBC
10 years ago
Reply to  David Horwich

Which, assuming everyone who’s already voted before Voomo is on the spreadsheet is correct, puts us at:
Martinez – 16
Lofton – 15
Biggio – 15
Sandberg – 15
Koufax – 14
McCovey – 12
Ford – 11

Wow.

Insert Name Here
Insert Name Here
10 years ago
Reply to  Mike HBC

Therefore, through 41 ballots, nobody has more than 40% of votes… whoa…

Does anyone know if the new inductee must be elected with a majority of votes, or is a plurality acceptable?

And why does Larry Doby have only three votes? He is certainly at least just as good as most of these players…

David Horwich
David Horwich
10 years ago

A plurality is enough – we’ve had plenty of players elected with less than 50% of the vote before.

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
10 years ago

Ford, Koufax, Martinez Three time all-star Hank Bauer’s name is not on the list of highest WAA shown above but he was an important member of the great Yankee teams of the 50s. His WWII heroics and his gritty hustling style of play made him an immediate fan favorite at the Stadium. A good word here for Joe Collins. On 8/2/1955 when the Yankees defeated Early Wynn and the Indians 2-1, he hit two solo HRs to account for all the Yankee runs with the second one being a walk-off. There are only 11 other such games. Ewell Blackwell is… Read more »

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
10 years ago
Reply to  birtelcom

That’s a good point.

Voomo Zanzibar
Voomo Zanzibar
10 years ago

Through age 29, Early Wynn was:

83-94

1.441 WHIP

0.87 SO/BB

92 ERA+
_______

Who guessed he would win 300,
and retire 12th all-time in Wins?

Voomo Zanzibar
Voomo Zanzibar
10 years ago
Reply to  Voomo Zanzibar

So, through age 29, there have been 1,066 pitchers with

W/L% 1.4 (1.441)
SO/BB< 1 (0.87)
ERA+ < 95 (92)

18 pitchers with at least 100 decisions.

Wynn's 83 wins is #1

83 Early
81 Herm Wehmeier
68 Alex Kellner
63 Orval Grove
55 Elmer Myers
55 Buck Ross
52 Dick Coffman
50 Ownie Carroll
47 Lil Stoner

Only one (eventually) good pitcher.
Plenty of good names.

Voomo Zanzibar
Voomo Zanzibar
10 years ago
Reply to  Voomo Zanzibar

Something went terribly wrong ear the beginning of that last post. Have no idea why.

It should read:

W/L% 1.4 (1.441)

everything else is right…

Voomo Zanzibar
Voomo Zanzibar
10 years ago
Reply to  Voomo Zanzibar

Okay, I know for a freakin’ fact that I did not write the word “ear” instead of “at”.

Is the internet finally broken?

Voomo Zanzibar
Voomo Zanzibar
10 years ago
Reply to  Voomo Zanzibar

Hey! And my correction at post 100 did not correct, either.

It again failed to post the information about Won and Loss Percentage.

Won Loss Percentage under 475
(early was at .469)

Yeesh. Hope this works…

John Autin
Editor
10 years ago
Reply to  Voomo Zanzibar

Voomo re: “ear” — Did you use greater-than or less-than symbols? Those can cause problems in comments.

Voomo Zanzibar
Voomo Zanzibar
10 years ago
Reply to  Voomo Zanzibar

JA,
That is exactly what I did.
Thought I was being all fancy.

oneblankspace
oneblankspace
10 years ago
Reply to  Voomo Zanzibar

@100 I thought you meant near the beginning of the post.

Steven
Steven
10 years ago

Koufax. Ford. McCovey.

Steven
Steven
10 years ago
Reply to  birtelcom

Thanks. Not to be confused with Steve, although baseball-wise, at least, we have the same voting preferences. I’ve been waiting so long for Sandy Koufax to get in, I decided to perform my civic duty and throw (although a little sidearm, since I am 56) my support to him and a couple of others in my baseball card collection.

Andy
Andy
10 years ago

Koufax, Martinez, Biggio

Bix
Bix
10 years ago

Koufax, McCovey, Ashburn

Hub Kid
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