Circle of Greats: 1946 Part 2 Balloting

This post is for voting and discussion in the twenty-eighth round of balloting for the High Heat Stats Circle of Greats (COG).  This round completes the addition to the ballot of those players born in 1946.  Rules and lists are after the jump.

Players born in 1946 are being brought on to the COG eligible list over two rounds, divided by the alphabetical order of players’ last names — the group in the top part of the alphabet was added in the last round, those in the lower part of the alphabet are being added in this round.

The new group added this round joins the holdovers surviving from previous ballots to comprise the full group eligible to receive your votes in this round of balloting.  The new group of 1946-born players, in order to join the eligible list, must, as always, have played at least 10 seasons in the major leagues or generated at least 20 Wins Above Replacement (“WAR”, as calculated by baseball-reference.com, and for this purpose meaning 20 total WAR for everyday players and 20 pitching WAR for pitchers).

Each ballot submitted by a voter, if it is to be counted, must include three and only three eligible players.  The one player who appears on the most ballots cast in the round is inducted into the Circle of Greats.  Players who fail to win induction but appear on half or more of the ballots that are cast win four added future rounds of ballot eligibility.  Players who appear on 25% or more of the ballots cast, but less than 50%, earn two added future rounds of ballot eligibility.  Any other player in the top 9 (including ties) in ballot appearances, or who appears on at least 10% of the ballots, wins one additional round of ballot eligibility.

All voting for this round closes at 11:00 PM EDT on Saturday, September 7, while changes to previously cast ballots are allowed until 11:00 PM EDT Thursday, September 5.

If you’d like to follow the vote tally, and/or check to make sure I’ve recorded your (or any else’s) vote correctly, you can see my ballot-counting spreadsheet for this round here: COG 1946 Round 2 Vote Tally.  I’ll be updating the spreadsheet periodically with the latest votes.  Initially, there is a row in the spreadsheet for every voter who has cast a ballot in any of the past rounds.  However, new voters are entirely welcome — new voters will be added to the spreadsheet as their ballots are submitted.  Also initially, there is a column for each of the holdover players; additional player columns from the new born-in-1946 group will be added to the spreadsheet as votes are cast for them.

Choose your three players from the lists below of eligible players.  The 10 current holdovers are listed in order of the number of future rounds (including this one) through which they are assured eligibility, and alphabetically when the future eligibility number is the same.  The new group of 1946 birth-year guys are listed below in order of the number of seasons each played in the majors, and alphabetically among players with the same number of seasons played.  In total there were 38 players born in 1946 who met the “10 seasons played or 20 WAR” minimum requirement.  19 of those (half the group) are being added to the eligible list this round.  The 19 players higher in the alphabet were added in the previous round.

Holdovers:
Lou Whitaker (eligibility guaranteed for 11 rounds)
John Smoltz (eligibility guaranteed for 9 rounds)
Bobby Grich (eligibility guaranteed for 4 rounds)
Craig Biggio (eligibility guaranteed for 3 rounds)
Edgar Martinez (eligibility guaranteed for 3 rounds)
Nolan Ryan (eligibility guaranteed for 3 rounds)
Roberto Alomar (eligibility guaranteed for 2 rounds)
Kenny Lofton (eligibility guaranteed for 2 rounds)
Eddie Murray (eligibility guaranteed for this round only)
Ryne Sandberg (eligibility guaranteed for this round only)

Everyday Players (born in 1946, ten or more seasons played in the major leagues or at least 20 WAR):
Reggie Jackson
Bob Watson
Al Oliver
Tom Paciorek
Bobby Murcer
Joe Rudi
Jim Spencer
Gene Tenace
Tom Hutton
Johnny Oates
Bob Robertson
Champ Summers
Norm Miller
Marty Perez

Pitchers (born in 1946, ten or more seasons played in the major leagues or at least 20 WAR):
Mike Torrez
Catfish Hunter
Paul Splittorff
Bill Lee
Skip Lockwood

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Mike
Mike
11 years ago

Nolan Ryan
Reggie Jackson
Craig Biggio

J.R.
J.R.
11 years ago

Nolan Ryan, Craig Biggio, Bobby Grich

Insert Name Here
Insert Name Here
11 years ago

Initial vote based solely on merit: 1. Reggie Jackson (6.8 WAR/162 during 1968-77) 2. Kenny Lofton (6.7 WAR/162 during 1992-99) 3. Bobby Grich (6.6 WAR/162 during 1972-83) Other candidates worthy of staying on the ballot: 4. Ryne Sandberg (6.2 WAR/162 during 1984-92) 5. Craig Biggio (5.8 WAR/162 during 1991-99) 6. Lou Whitaker (5.5 WAR/162 during 1979-93) 7. Eddie Murray (5.7 WAR/162 during 1978-86) 8. Bobby Bonds (5.6 WAR/162 during 1969-77) 9. Edgar Martínez (6.4 WAR/162 during 1995-2001) 10. Gene Tenace (6.1 WAR/162 during 1973-79) 11. Roberto Alomar (6.0 WAR/162 during 1996-2001) 12. John Smoltz (5.8 WAR/162 during 1995-99) 13. Nolan… Read more »

Darien
11 years ago

If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it: Lofton, Biggio, and Ryan.

Voomo Zanzibar
Voomo Zanzibar
11 years ago

Kenny Lofton
Eddie Murray
Nolan Ryan

opal611
opal611
11 years ago

For the 1946-Part Two election, I’m voting for:
-Nolan Ryan
-Ryne Sandberg
-Edgar Martinez

Other top candidates I considered highly (and/or will consider in future rounds):
-Alomar (Voted for Previously. Hopefully only temporarily off my ballot)
-Biggio (Voted for Previously. Hopefully only temporarily off my ballot)
-Smoltz
-Whitaker
-Murray
-Grich
-Lofton
-Jackson

koma
koma
11 years ago

Nolan Ryan, Reggie Jackson, Catfish Hunter

Dr. Doom
Dr. Doom
11 years ago

Reggie Jackson
Bobby Grinch
Ryne Sandberg

MJ
MJ
11 years ago

Lou Whitaker, Bobby Grich, Edgar Martinez.

Phil
11 years ago

Reggie, Ryan, Alomar.

Mike HBC
Mike HBC
11 years ago

Mr. October, Ryan Express, Smoltzie.

wx
wx
11 years ago

Reggie Jackson, Edgar Martinez, Nolan Ryan

Dr. Remulak
Dr. Remulak
11 years ago

Biggio, Ryan, Jackson

KalineCountry
KalineCountry
11 years ago

Lou Whitaker
Bobby Grich
Eddie Murray

Bix
Bix
11 years ago

Jackson, Ryan, Sandberg

David Horwich
David Horwich
11 years ago

Alomar, Jackson, Martinez

ATarwerdi96
11 years ago

Reggie Jackson, Edgar Martinez, Bobby Grich

RonG
RonG
11 years ago

Ryan, Jackson, Grich

Insert Name Here
Insert Name Here
11 years ago
Reply to  birtelcom

This had to be done eventually: There have been two ballplayers ever named “Ryan Jackson.” The first Ryan Jackson was a mediocore/4A 1B/OF who was a regular for the 1998 Marlins, but his terrible fielding and mediocre hitting led to a bounce-around career until he settled in Japan. The second Ryan Jackson is a young middle infielder in the Cardinals organization who is hitting 2-for-20 in 15 major league games over the past two seasons. Strangely, both Ryan Jacksons were born and attended HS in Florida, and the second one (the one who didn’t play for the Marlins), played college… Read more »

--bill
--bill
11 years ago

Jackson, Grich, Smoltz

paget
paget
11 years ago

1)Reggie I’m a big believer in the significance of Home/Road splits, and Reggie was murdered by his home parks. (Anyone care to speculate why he didn’t hit better in Yankee Stadium, which, at least in theory, is supposed to offer a substantial benefit to power guys who hit from the left side? Not hitting well in Oakland in the 70s makes total sense, but 1978 was the only year in which he hit better in NY than on the road. Take a look at his Road line in 1980: .326/.433/.690/1.123. That’s actually better than Brett’s OPS that year!) Also I… Read more »

Chris C
Chris C
11 years ago

Craig Biggio
Edgar Martinez
Reggie Jackson – Never liked him. Too worthy to ignore. (Never liked Ryan either, and I’m fine with ignoring him.)

latefortheparty
latefortheparty
11 years ago

Lou Whitaker
Bobby Grich
Gene Tenace

Artie Z.
Artie Z.
11 years ago

Reggie, Alomar, and Murray

Miller
11 years ago

Since this is my first vote, I think I should choose the trio I believe to be most deserving…which isn’t as easy as I thought it would be when I began typing. I’ll go with

Reggie,
Sweet Lou, and
the AL’s best position player in 1973, Bobby Grich.

e pluribus munu
e pluribus munu
11 years ago

Lou, Smoltzie, Straw (the one that thinks it stirs the drink)

mo
mo
11 years ago

Reggie J., Whitaker, Hunter

T-Bone
T-Bone
11 years ago

Sandberg
Grich
And a vote for one of my childhood favorites, though he really has no chance….
Tenace

Brendan Bingham
Brendan Bingham
11 years ago

Edgar Martinez, James Lofton, Eddie Murray

Brendan Bingham
Brendan Bingham
11 years ago
Reply to  birtelcom

‘Tis the season. I meant Kenny of course. Thanks.

Bill Johnson
Bill Johnson
11 years ago

Whitaker, Jackson, and Ryan.

Arsen
Arsen
11 years ago

What a birth year for the Oakland A’s. Reggie, Rudi, Tenace, Hunter and Fingers. All those guys coming into their peak at the same time. No wonder those A’s were magnificent. I always thought of Reggie, Catfish and Fingers as stars, but I have a much greater appreciation for Tenace nowadays. He was a walk machine. In his peak 1973-79 stretch he had a higher WAR (34.9) than both Fisk and Munson for those years. Not bad considering he never got much MVP consideration. I’d be interested to know if there are other teams that had such a great core… Read more »

GrandyMan
GrandyMan
11 years ago

Another go for the Broken Record Ticket. Ryan, Whitaker, Smoltz.

Hub Kid
Hub Kid
11 years ago

Nolan Ryan, Gene Tenace, “Spaceman” Bill Lee I’m going with Ryan over Jackson here. I agree that Reggie is a Hall of Famer, but I wonder if he is still a bit on the over-rated side- with his personality blasting out of the Finlay A’s dynasty and the Bronx Zoo. 563 home runs over the 70s and 80s is pretty darn impressive and that probably makes him the top power hitter between Aaron and Bonds (with apologies to Mike Schmidt), but it looks like one-sided power, unless I am missing something. Tenace’s amazing OBP puts him in the category of… Read more »

TJay
11 years ago

Ryan , Jackson, Sandberg.

Nick Pain
Nick Pain
11 years ago

Nolan Ryan, Reggie Jackson, Lou Whitaker

Mike G.
Mike G.
11 years ago

Ryan, Martinez, Sandberg

John Autin
Editor
11 years ago
Reply to  birtelcom

Slight correction, birtelcom: Two WS starts for Ehmke. After the record 13-K game in the opener, he was knocked out early in game 5, but the A’s came back to win with 3 in the home 9th, clinching the title.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/PHA/PHA192910140.shtml

Ed
Ed
11 years ago
Reply to  birtelcom

Ehmke’s HOF voting is a bit strange though there may be a logical explanation for it. He retired in 1930 and appeared on the 1938 ballot, receiving 0.4% of the vote. He didn’t appear on the ballot again until 1949, this time receiving 0.7% of the vote. He continued to appear on the ballot in 1951, ’52, ’53, ’54, ’56, ’58, ‘and ’60. So why did he reappear on the ballot beginning in 1949? I’m guessing that it had little to do with his pitched. Instead, it’s likely because Ehmke’s the guy who invented the tarp! And BTW, the Ehmke… Read more »

paget
paget
11 years ago
Reply to  birtelcom

Catfish is a favorite whipping boy of the sabermetric community, and no doubt for many good reasons. But if I can raise just one point in his favor, I think his reputation in the years after he retired was based not only people being blinded by all those 20 win seasons (giving the false sense of a totally dominant peak), but by the very real impression that had his arm not completely fallen apart due to injury (and perhaps the diabetes), he would have racked up some very lofty career totals. I mean he was effectively done by the time… Read more »

John Autin
Editor
11 years ago
Reply to  paget

paget, you raise an interesting point re: “extra credit” to players with injury-shortened careers. Speaking for myself, I don’t go for that, generally, with possible exceptions for freak injuries. I’m not a Catfish hater. I do recognize the advantages he had in compiling a 2.99 ERA over his 10-year peak, in terms of park and defense and general offensive context. But I admire both the way he plied his trade, throwing strikes and damn the occasional homer, as well as his durability, averaging 277 IP from 1967-76. But I think there’s still a big difference between Catfish and Koufax in… Read more »

paget
paget
11 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

John – I hope I didn’t give the impression that I wanted to completely reevaluate the consensus of Catfish as a pitcher who was vastly overrated in the, say, 20 years following his retirement. Like I said, all those wins really blinded folks to what was basically a “Hall of the Very Good” type career. (And yes, HUGE difference between Koufax and Hunter, naturally.) Mostly I was just suggesting that many folks’ opinion of him wasn’t based only on traditional stats, but the question of “what if he’d stayed healthy…?” As to the question of “extra-credit” for Catfish: natural arm… Read more »

John Autin
Editor
11 years ago
Reply to  paget

paget, thanks for clarifying — I get you now. I still prefer not to attempt mental adjustments due to injury when evaluating a pitcher’s career. Health is half the battle, maybe more. And how would one draw the line? Many star pitchers, if not most, sustained some degree of injury in mid-career, and many were never the same — but some of those kept pitching many years afterwards. I’d argue that we don’t even know about most such injuries, at least those of 50+ years ago, and for those who kept pitching, we don’t know how much of their reduced… Read more »

Brent
Brent
11 years ago
Reply to  paget

Part of the reason his arm “fell apart” had to do with his manager once he signed with the Yankees. Billy Martin didn’t start his pitcher abuse in Oakland, it was alive and well when he managed the Yankees. In 1975, Billy managed the last 56 games of the season. Bill Virdon was actually replaced after a Catfish start (August 1), in which Hunter pitched 7 1/3 innings and got the win to move to 14-10 on the season. Catfish then started 13 of Manager Martin’s 56 games (which is about right for a 4 man rotation), he pitched 9,… Read more »

BryanM
BryanM
11 years ago

Reggie, Lou Whitaker, Kenny Lofton ( somebody has to go get those fly balls Reggie is ignoring…)

robbs
robbs
11 years ago

nolan smoltz whitaker

Bryan O'Connor
Editor
11 years ago

Most Wins Above Average, excluding negative seasons:

Grich 43.6
Whitaker 42.7
Jackson 41.7
Martinez 41.3
Smoltz 40.1
Lofton 39.3
Ryan 39.1
Sandberg 38.8
Alomar 36.8
Biggio 36.3
Murray 34.9
Tenace 29.0
Oliver 17.8
Hunter 15.1

Jim Hunter would be nowhere near the Hall of Fame without the nickname. Gene Tenace might be in with a better nickname (and more playing time).

Best hitter on the ballot?
Reggie .262/.356/.490, 139 OPS+
Edgar .312/.418/.515, 147 OPS+
It’s still Edgar.

Grich. Martinez. Smoltz.

brp
brp
11 years ago

R. Jackson
B. Grich
K. Lofton

Still astonished that Ryan is pulling so much support.

mosc
mosc
11 years ago

I’d like to see Ryan more than Jackson in, though I think Reggie clearly deserves. That said, I’ll try to swing things towards the express by purposely excluding Mr. October.

Ryan
Biggio
Sandberg

Andy
Andy
11 years ago

Reggie
Nolan
Alomar

Abbott
Abbott
11 years ago

Biggio, Ryan, Hunter

aweb
aweb
11 years ago

Ryan, Jackson, Grich

Gary Bateman
Gary Bateman
11 years ago

Alomar, Smoltz, Ryan

Brent
Brent
11 years ago

I will break tradition and vote for a pitcher, I will vote for Nolan Ryan, John Smoltz and Robbie Alomar.

Kirk
Kirk
11 years ago

Smoltz, Alomar & Jackson

The Diamond King
The Diamond King
11 years ago

Murray, Reggie, Smoltz