David Ortiz and getting better with age

On May 4, 2010, the Red Sox beat the Angels 5-1 on the strength of a 2-out, 4-run rally in the 8th inning that broke open what had been a tight pitchers’ duel between Ervin Santana and Jon Lester. Boston won that day despite a -0.418 WPA turned in by designated hitter David Ortiz, his fourth worst WPA score ever (his worst WPA game was also against Ervin Santana, in this 2009 contest). Here’s how David’s day went:

  • 1st inning: ended inning striking out with runners at 2nd and 3rd
  • 3rd inning: ended inning on double play groundout with runners at 1st and 2nd
  • 6th inning: led off inning striking out, on 3 pitches
  • 8th inning: grounded into double play with nobody out and bases loaded; no runs scored

At the conclusion of that debacle, Ortiz was riding a 4 for 34 skid, with a season slash of .149/.240/.358. Hardly the start he was looking for after a disappointing 2009 campaign that saw Ortiz hit just .238, his first full season since joining Boston in 2003 that he failed to hit 30 homers or drive in 100 runs. Whispers were that Big Papi was done – it was only a matter of time before the Sox cut him loose. Remember.

As with Mark Twain, rumors of Big Papi’s demise have been greatly exaggerated. In fact, Ortiz’s turnaround since that nadir just over 3 years ago has been nothing short of spectacular. More on the Ortiz miracle after the jump.

Of course, we know now what happened next. Ortiz went .429/.433/.786 over his next 7 games, and .387/.461/.813 over the next four weeks (22 games) to raise his season slash to .275/.360/.599 on June 2nd. That would be Ortiz’s season high-water mark for BA, SLG and OPS, but he stayed pretty close to those totals the rest of the way, to finish at .270/.370/.529, good for a 137 OPS+ with 32 HR, 102 RBI, respectable numbers if not exactly the type of monster year Ortiz delivered from 2004 to 2007 (avg of 159 OPS+ with 44 HR, 135 RBI).

However, it’s what’s happened after that 2010 season that is really remarkable. Take a look.

Year Age Tm G PA R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+
2010 34 BOS 145 606 86 140 36 1 32 102 82 145 .270 .370 .529 .899 137
2011 35 BOS 146 605 84 162 40 1 29 96 78 83 .309 .398 .554 .953 154
2012 36 BOS 90 383 65 103 26 0 23 60 56 51 .318 .415 .611 1.026 171
2013 37 BOS 36 151 25 45 11 0 9 35 16 16 .336 .404 .619 1.023 167
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Generated 5/31/2013.

At a time in his career when most players are in decline and struggling to keep their spot in the lineup, Ortiz just keeps rolling along, getting better each year.

For some perspective, Ortiz is a member of the following 3 groups:

  1. one of 35 players since 1901 with 3000+ PAs and OPS+ of 137 to 142 (Ortiz was 139) through age 31 (2007 season for Ortiz)
  2. one of 57 players since 1901 with 3000+ PAs and OPS+ of 132 to 137 (Ortiz was 134) through age 33 (2009 season for Ortiz)
  3. one of 68 players since 1901 with 1000+ PAs and OPS+ of 110 to 115 (Ortiz was 112) aged 32 and 33 (2008 and 2009 seasons for Ortiz)

In addition to Ortiz, 17 of the 35 players in group 1 were also in group 2. How did they do for the next 4 seasons, through age 37?

Rk Player OPS+ From To Age G PA R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS Tm
1 David Ortiz 153 2010 2013 34-37 417 1745 260 450 113 2 93 293 232 295 .300 .393 .564 .956 BOS
2 Rod Carew 126 1980 1983 34-37 504 2181 285 617 100 15 10 168 228 180 .325 .396 .409 .805 CAL
3 Jose Canseco 122 1999 2001 34-36 287 1209 168 269 44 1 65 193 167 312 .265 .371 .502 .873 TBD-TOT-CHW
4 Bobby Abreu 116 2008 2011 34-37 604 2603 338 618 139 9 63 341 332 467 .275 .367 .429 .796 NYY-LAA
5 Joe Medwick 114 1946 1948 34-36 136 271 26 74 16 0 6 48 23 19 .301 .363 .439 .802 BRO-STL
6 Bill Nicholson 111 1949 1952 34-37 280 719 85 148 22 6 28 99 92 119 .241 .348 .433 .780 PHI
7 Arky Vaughan 110 1947 1948 35-36 129 297 43 71 8 2 5 47 48 19 .285 .401 .394 .794 BRO
8 Mo Vaughn 108 2002 2003 34-35 166 654 77 141 20 0 29 87 73 167 .249 .346 .438 .784 NYM
9 Minnie Minoso 108 1960 1963 34-37 454 1776 232 426 77 9 39 227 159 164 .276 .354 .413 .767 CHW-STL-WSA
10 George Foster 105 1983 1986 34-37 519 2056 228 477 71 7 87 295 138 381 .252 .305 .435 .740 NYM-TOT
11 Edd Roush 98 1927 1929 34-36 301 1303 179 360 51 14 17 123 85 39 .304 .353 .414 .768 NYG
12 Jim Bottomley 93 1934 1937 34-37 454 1738 199 449 98 23 25 234 113 134 .279 .329 .415 .744 CIN-SLB
13 Danny Tartabull 6 1997 1997 34-34 3 11 2 0 0 0 0 0 4 4 .000 .364 .000 .364 PHI
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Nobody anywhere close to Big Papi. In fact, 5 of the 18 were done before age 34, and another 5 failed to compile even 750 PAs after that age. Of the rest, the median OPS+ is just 112.

If we look at the larger set of players in Group 1 as a whole, here is what they accomplished aged 34-37 (min. 1000 PAs).

Rk Player OPS+ PA From To Age G R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS Tm
1 David Ortiz 153 1745 2010 2013 34-37 417 260 450 113 2 93 293 232 295 .300 .393 .564 .956 BOS
2 Chipper Jones 153 2207 2006 2009 34-37 515 357 595 117 10 95 334 334 298 .321 .422 .549 .972 ATL
3 Willie Stargell 148 1840 1974 1977 34-37 444 244 450 101 9 80 286 226 371 .284 .377 .511 .888 PIT
4 Larry Walker 146 2034 2001 2004 34-37 503 339 541 116 18 97 353 294 320 .321 .430 .584 1.014 COL-TOT
5 George Brett 140 2324 1987 1990 34-37 538 310 612 131 15 72 348 269 208 .303 .382 .490 .872 KCR
6 Jack Clark 129 1349 1990 1992 34-36 336 166 263 41 2 58 182 256 311 .245 .390 .450 .840 SDP-BOS
7 Rickey Henderson 126 2075 1993 1996 34-37 481 357 450 83 5 45 162 389 266 .273 .416 .411 .827 TOT-OAK-SDP
8 Rod Carew 126 2181 1980 1983 34-37 504 285 617 100 15 10 168 228 180 .325 .396 .409 .805 CAL
9 Carl Yastrzemski 124 2546 1974 1977 34-37 602 354 612 105 8 78 343 344 222 .283 .378 .447 .826 BOS
10 Eddie Murray 123 2568 1990 1993 34-37 618 306 652 110 7 88 384 243 273 .284 .349 .453 .802 LAD-NYM
11 Jose Canseco 122 1209 1999 2001 34-36 287 168 269 44 1 65 193 167 312 .265 .371 .502 .873 TBD-TOT-CHW
12 Bobby Abreu 116 2603 2008 2011 34-37 604 338 618 139 9 63 341 332 467 .275 .367 .429 .796 NYY-LAA
13 Ken Singleton 109 2101 1981 1984 34-37 521 199 460 71 7 51 246 283 295 .256 .356 .389 .745 BAL
14 Minnie Minoso 108 1776 1960 1963 34-37 454 232 426 77 9 39 227 159 164 .276 .354 .413 .767 CHW-STL-WSA
15 George Foster 105 2056 1983 1986 34-37 519 228 477 71 7 87 295 138 381 .252 .305 .435 .740 NYM-TOT
16 Tony Oliva 102 1761 1973 1976 34-37 471 155 446 49 2 43 223 115 133 .277 .331 .391 .721 MIN
17 Edd Roush 98 1303 1927 1929 34-36 301 179 360 51 14 17 123 85 39 .304 .353 .414 .768 NYG
18 Jim Bottomley 93 1738 1934 1937 34-37 454 199 449 98 23 25 234 113 134 .279 .329 .415 .744 CIN-SLB
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Again, Ortiz is the cream of the crop, sharing top spot with Chipper. Despite a stellar 137-142 OPS+ through age 31, almost half of this group failed to get 1000 PAs after age 34.

Jose Canseco’s totals are highlighted above – he followed Ortiz’s early-30s pattern exactly and is the only player to appear with Ortiz in all three of the groups.

How has Ortiz’s performance aged 34-37 compared to all players of that age?

Rk Player OPS+ PA From To Age G R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS Tm
1 Barry Bonds 221 2317 1999 2002 34-37 541 466 545 111 10 202 436 565 279 .318 .489 .748 1.237 SFG
2 Babe Ruth 206 2515 1929 1932 34-37 558 540 713 98 23 182 607 466 234 .355 .478 .699 1.177 NYY
3 Ted Williams 198 1555 1953 1956 34-37 388 258 422 78 6 94 288 348 105 .353 .497 .663 1.161 BOS
4 Mark McGwire 180 2027 1998 2001 34-37 494 356 425 54 1 196 431 427 492 .272 .429 .683 1.112 STL
5 Hank Aaron 168 2486 1968 1971 34-37 596 382 654 111 11 158 419 296 230 .302 .385 .583 .968 ATL
6 Tris Speaker 167 2306 1922 1925 34-37 534 391 713 178 33 49 353 312 51 .372 .463 .577 1.040 CLE
7 Honus Wagner 167 2430 1908 1911 34-37 568 369 705 135 53 28 379 246 127 .337 .412 .492 .904 PIT
8 Nap Lajoie 163 2051 1909 1912 34-37 494 252 659 138 19 7 273 149 63 .361 .416 .470 .886 CLE
9 Edgar Martinez 158 2623 1997 2000 34-37 604 376 707 147 3 118 441 418 376 .328 .438 .563 1.002 SEA
10 Willie Mays 155 2384 1965 1968 34-37 598 384 608 92 14 134 364 264 325 .290 .369 .540 .909 SFG
11 Stan Musial 154 2465 1955 1958 34-37 579 330 698 136 16 106 381 293 138 .328 .409 .556 .964 STL
12 David Ortiz 153 1745 2010 2013 34-37 417 260 450 113 2 93 293 232 295 .300 .393 .564 .956 BOS
13 Chipper Jones 153 2207 2006 2009 34-37 515 357 595 117 10 95 334 334 298 .321 .422 .549 .972 ATL
14 Manny Ramirez 153 2212 2006 2009 34-37 520 327 572 120 5 111 374 329 399 .312 .419 .564 .983 BOS-TOT-LAD
15 Roberto Clemente 153 1991 1969 1972 34-37 480 302 616 90 37 56 297 149 253 .339 .387 .521 .908 PIT
16 Mickey Mantle 153 1493 1966 1968 34-36 396 160 307 43 2 63 165 270 286 .254 .388 .450 .838 NYY
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Pretty heady company. Almost every player ahead of Big Papi has made the HOF. But, watch what happens if we look at age 35-37.

Rk Player OPS+ PA From To Age G R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS Tm
1 Barry Bonds 237 1883 2000 2002 35-37 439 375 452 91 8 168 353 492 217 .333 .512 .782 1.295 SFG
2 Babe Ruth 210 1928 1930 1932 35-37 423 419 541 72 17 136 453 394 174 .359 .492 .699 1.192 NYY
3 Ted Williams 193 1445 1954 1956 35-37 351 241 385 72 6 81 254 329 95 .348 .497 .644 1.140 BOS
4 Hank Aaron 173 1810 1969 1971 35-37 436 298 480 78 7 129 333 232 168 .308 .397 .616 1.012 ATL
5 Nap Lajoie 167 1530 1910 1912 35-37 366 196 507 105 12 6 226 114 44 .374 .429 .483 .912 CLE
6 Tris Speaker 164 1788 1923 1925 35-37 403 306 552 130 25 38 282 235 40 .371 .460 .568 1.028 CLE
7 Mark McGwire 163 1346 1999 2001 35-37 339 226 273 33 1 126 284 265 337 .259 .409 .650 1.058 STL
8 David Ortiz 162 1139 2011 2013 35-37 272 174 310 77 1 61 191 150 150 .315 .405 .582 .987 BOS
9 Edgar Martinez 156 1945 1998 2000 35-37 449 272 528 112 2 90 333 299 290 .327 .432 .566 .999 SEA
10 Honus Wagner 154 1789 1909 1911 35-37 417 269 504 96 34 18 270 192 105 .331 .410 .474 .884 PIT
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And, age 36-37 (min. 500 PAs).

Rk Player OPS+ PA From To Age G R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS Tm
1 Barry Bonds 263 1276 2001 2002 36-37 296 246 305 63 4 119 247 375 140 .347 .547 .834 1.381 SFG
2 Babe Ruth 210 1252 1931 1932 36-37 278 269 355 44 8 87 300 258 113 .358 .492 .682 1.174 NYY
3 Ted Williams 188 919 1955 1956 36-37 234 148 252 49 5 52 165 193 63 .350 .487 .649 1.136 BOS
4 David Ortiz 171 534 2012 2013 36-37 126 90 148 37 0 32 95 72 67 .323 .412 .614 1.026 BOS
5 Hank Aaron 170 1171 1970 1971 36-37 289 198 316 48 4 85 236 145 121 .313 .397 .620 1.017 ATL
6 Manny Ramirez 161 1085 2008 2009 36-37 257 164 285 60 3 56 184 158 205 .315 .425 .574 .999 TOT-LAD
7 Dave Winfield 159 631 1988 1988 36-36 149 96 180 37 2 25 107 69 88 .322 .398 .530 .927 NYY
8 Stan Musial 159 1128 1957 1958 36-37 269 146 335 73 5 46 164 138 60 .344 .422 .571 .993 STL
9 Edgar Martinez 155 1273 1999 2000 36-37 295 186 349 66 1 61 231 193 194 .330 .434 .567 1.002 SEA
10 Tris Speaker 153 1093 1924 1925 36-37 253 173 334 71 14 21 152 142 25 .365 .454 .542 .997 CLE
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To be sure, Ortiz still has more than half his age 37 season to play. But, he will likely stay in the top 5, either just ahead of or just behind Aaron. So, how has he done it?

Part of the answer is probably his conditioning. Take a look.

David Ortiz 2008

David Ortiz 2013

That’s David’s 2008 card on the left, and 2013 on the right. Certainly seems as if he’s been spending more time in the weight room and less at the buffet table. Which is unusual for players his age who are more likely to have similar before and after images reversed.

What Ortiz has done that is normal for successful players his age is the time-honored tactic of cutting down on his strikeouts and increasing his walks. Here’s what those numbers look like for Ortiz, showing BB and SO as as % of PAs.

David Ortiz SO and BB Rates 2003-2013

 

 

 

 

Perhaps not huge differences, but consistent with Ortiz being off his game in 2008-2009. If we break out the last period season by season the picture gets clearer.

David Ortiz SO and BB Rates 2010-2013

 

 

 

 

So, strikeouts are certainly the larger part of the answer. How has Ortiz managed to cut down his whiffs so markedly?

David Ortiz Two Strikes Batting Split 2008-2013

 

 

 

 

 

 

Evidently, Ortiz has been saving his swings for better pitches. His proportion of PAs that go to two strikes dropped by over 25% from 2010 to 2012, while his batting average and OPS in those situations improved by almost as much (24.1% and 24.8%).

Among all hitters (not just power guys), Ortiz’s rank in two strike batting average (min. 150 PAs in the split) improved from 193rd in 2008 to 14th in 2012. For OPS in this split, Ortiz improved from 41st in 2008 to 1st in 2012. And it wasn’t close – take a look.

Rk Player Split Year G OPS PA H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS
1 David Ortiz Two Strikes 2012 83 .856 160 36 10 0 10 23 16 51 .252 .325 .531 .856
2 Andrew McCutchen Two Strikes 2012 148 .797 325 76 9 3 18 40 24 132 .255 .311 .487 .797
3 Edwin Encarnacion Two Strikes 2012 143 .794 348 73 9 0 21 46 37 94 .238 .322 .472 .794
4 Joey Votto Two Strikes 2012 106 .784 241 50 20 0 2 16 43 85 .256 .394 .390 .784
5 Prince Fielder Two Strikes 2012 149 .774 304 72 14 1 11 39 25 84 .265 .329 .445 .774
6 Ryan Braun Two Strikes 2012 145 .770 324 74 17 2 14 43 24 128 .249 .309 .461 .770
7 Jayson Werth Two Strikes 2012 75 .759 195 50 14 0 2 18 20 57 .286 .359 .400 .759
8 Matt Carpenter Two Strikes 2012 94 .758 186 44 11 3 2 22 19 63 .268 .349 .409 .758
9 Martin Prado Two Strikes 2012 145 .757 344 93 26 3 6 38 15 69 .286 .317 .440 .757
10 Jed Lowrie Two Strikes 2012 90 .731 187 36 6 0 10 19 19 65 .216 .299 .431 .731
11 Buster Posey Two Strikes 2012 138 .727 320 73 18 0 6 39 35 96 .261 .338 .389 .727
12 Jose Bautista Two Strikes 2012 86 .716 218 38 8 0 10 26 29 63 .202 .312 .404 .716
13 Miguel Cabrera Two Strikes 2012 148 .714 303 64 19 0 11 36 25 98 .232 .294 .420 .714
14 Evan Longoria Two Strikes 2012 72 .701 155 28 6 0 7 24 18 61 .206 .297 .404 .701
15 Joe Mauer Two Strikes 2012 139 .700 340 81 13 3 4 44 31 88 .266 .332 .367 .700
16 Mike Trout Two Strikes 2012 132 .699 336 71 11 2 7 26 38 139 .242 .333 .365 .699
17 Adrian Beltre Two Strikes 2012 141 .694 305 73 9 2 13 37 7 82 .248 .269 .425 .694
18 John Jaso Two Strikes 2012 92 .694 175 36 6 1 4 18 19 51 .237 .326 .368 .694
19 Mark Teixeira Two Strikes 2012 115 .693 244 42 9 1 10 32 29 83 .199 .299 .393 .693
20 Adam Jones Two Strikes 2012 152 .691 338 75 13 2 11 26 19 126 .239 .293 .398 .691
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Generated 5/31/2013.

If you haven’t been paying much attention to David Ortiz recently, you should … before it’s too late. It could be a long time before you see a comparable performance by a player in his late 30s.

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birtelcom
Editor
11 years ago

I was looking at the box scores this morning and thinking Grand Papi did indeed deserve a post of his own here — and Doug delivers.

If we’re talking 37-year-olds, how about Marco Scutaro? Three weeks older than Ortiz and he’s got a 136 OPS+ this season while holding down the starting second base spot for the defending World Champs. One of the most valuable players on the Giants this season, and if the All-Star Game were tomorrow he might deserve to start at second base for the NL.

RJ
RJ
11 years ago
Reply to  birtelcom

Unless I’m mistaken, since Scutaro was traded to the Giants last July 28th he has more hits than anyone in the majors except Miguel Cabrera (who leads by 1 solitary hit as of the time of this comment).

John Autin
Editor
11 years ago
Reply to  RJ

From 7/28/2012 through 5/30/2013, some of the hits leaders are:

– 156, Miguel Cabrera
– 154, Marco Scutaro
– 147, Torii Hunter
– 145, Dustin Pedroia
– 144, Alex Gordon
– 144, Adam Jones
– 136, Ryan Braun
– 135, Mike Trout

I built that list by manually checking last year’s 2nd-half leaders and this year’s leaders.

RJ
RJ
11 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

That’s what I did. I couldn’t find a way to search for the hit leaders from date X on the play index; perhaps it’s possible with a subscription.

bstar
11 years ago
Reply to  birtelcom

Guys, try this. It’s extremely buggy, so be patient. It can give you stats for the last X number of days (I believe last July 28th was 308 days ago).

http://www.sports-reference.com/blog/2013/05/daily-player-stat-logs/

JA, your list @9 should also include Adrian Beltre at 144 hits and Allen Craig at 139.

John Autin
Editor
11 years ago
Reply to  bstar

Good lead, bstar!

FWIW, that tool also shows Cabrera leading since July 28 in BA, SLG, OPS, HRs and RBI, and #2 in Runs.

Cabrera’s last 162 games (adding today mentally) — 50 HRs, 160 RBI. Not that anyone should care. 🙂

bstar
11 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

It looks like this tool is eventually going to be listed in the Fun and Frivolities section once it gets debugged. But for now, I’d just bookmark the link.

David Horwich
David Horwich
11 years ago

Scutaro’s had a fine year with the bat so far, no doubt, but his defense has been somewhat brutal, at least to the eye test. What an unusual arc his career has followed: didn’t establish himself in the majors until age 28, and when he did looked for all the world like a classic light hitting/good fielding utility IF, but somehow turned himself into a fine regular SS ino his mid-30s, and now in his late 30s has apparently become a better hitter than ever. Off the top of my head I can’t think of a player with a similar… Read more »

Hartvig
Hartvig
11 years ago
Reply to  David Horwich

Eddie Joost doesn’t exactly fit the pattern- he was a good field/no hit regular for 3+ years by the time he was 27 but then actually quit the game for a year and a half before coming back and playing his way back into a regular shortstop job and eventually putting up some really solid offensive numbers until his late 30’s- but probably as close as you will find. And I have to admit that back when Ortiz was struggling I figured that he would follow another bulky Boston batsman- Mo Vaughn- to a rapid and relatively early end. I’m… Read more »

Timmy Pea
Timmy Pea
11 years ago

I would like to talk about Mike Zagurski. Mike is from Nebraska, the same state as Wahoo Sam Crawford. Mike is obese and pitches for the Pirates.

John Autin
Editor
11 years ago
Reply to  Timmy Pea

Tonight was not Mr. Zagurski’s finest hour:
http://scores.espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=330531123

Timmy Pea
Timmy Pea
11 years ago

He’d be making me a cripple Charlie.

Jacob
Jacob
11 years ago

Awesome article. The steroid years have left me with a healthy dose of skepticism regarding late-career surges like this, but I like that you dug deeper to offer an explanation how he’s doing it.

Brian
Brian
11 years ago

Unless I missed it, I didn’t see a mention of the wrist injury Ortiz spent almost two years dealing with. That’s a big factor in the 2009-10 downturn.

Bryan O'Connor
Editor
11 years ago

Doug, I love this piece as much as my kids love Big Papi, but I’ll pick one nit. The numbers that put Ortiz in the ‘through age 31’ group you assigned him to include some miserable early-career years in Minnesota. I wonder if anyone else in that group had fewer than 400 hits and 60 homers coming into their age 27 seasons. I think the level of offensive production he’d established going into his age 32 season was more commensurate with the Chipper/McGwire/Clemente set that shows up in your later samples. I agree with your larger point. Ortiz has certainly… Read more »