Can You Live With a Bad Defensive Backstop? The Jesus Montero Question

Back in 2010 the New York Yankees were in possession of a pair of talented minor league catchers by the names of Jesus Montero and Austin Romine. Both players were considered top-100 prospects by Baseball America and both players appeared to be on their way to long, prosperous careers. Romine was considered the finer defender of the two, topping out at #86 in Baseball America’s rankings while Montero was thought to be a powerhouse offensive force, ranking among the top 5 minor league players in the game. While Yankee fans spoke well of Romine they positively salivated at the idea of putting Montero’s prodigious power behind the plate as visions of 35 homer seasons danced in their heads.

There was a catch however. Montero’s defense was considered to be so shaky by the Yankees brain trust that rumors of him becoming a full-time DH were already circulating before he could even advance past Double-A Trenton. Scouting reports pegged Montero’s glove work as shoddy and his throw times to 2nd base as well below Major League average.

When the Yankees finally called Montero up to the big leagues in September of 2011, the team’s scouting report appeared to be spot on. Montero positively crushed the ball in his short time in the Bronx, bombing 4 homers and hitting .328 in 18 big league games. But he hardly saw any work behind the plate, picking up just 1 full game during his September call-up.

That hot September was enough to convince the offensively starved Seattle Mariners to give Montero a shot behind the dish. Seattle flipped rookie sensation Michael Pineda to New York for the offensive-minded catcher, in the hopes that he could hold his own at catcher while his bat did most of the talking.

Well, through the first 160 games or so, that plan has entirely blown up in Seattle’s face. Montero has predictably struggled to cut it as a Major League catcher, ranking dead last in nearly every single quantifiable defensive category. (Montero’s been a near-disaster with a bat in his hands as well, but that was much more unlikely and quite frankly, impossible to predict, so let’s steer clear of this area for now.)

The Yankees, meanwhile, have gone in the opposite direction, opting for a defensive-first catcher. This year’s trio of catchers (Chris Stewart, Francisco Cervelli, and Austin Romine) are all regarded as solid defenders in their own rights. In a recent interview with the New York News, Brian Cashman reiterated that theme saying:

“Defensively, we have no problem. Actually, we feel we have one of the better defensive catching units in baseball. Offensively, we were bracing for a significant decline on the offensive side. We felt that Cervelli had projection to be an offensive player, but as far as present abilities was more of a backup offensively, but with upside.”

Well, thus far, the numbers would most certainly agree with the decisions Cashman has made. The Yankees have allowed the 2nd fewest stolen bases in the Major Leagues with 11, only trailing the Baltimore Orioles and their rifle-armed backstop Matt Wieters. Better yet, Yankees catchers have caught an impressive 42% of opposing base thieves which means, not only are runners afraid to run, when they seldom do they’re stopped in their tracks.

Yankees catchers also do an excellent job keeping the ball from going to the backstop, allowing just 15 wild pitches/passed balls this season. That ability to keep the ball in front is vital for a pitching staff because it allows a guy like CC Sabathia to have the confidence to throw a slider in the dirt on an 0-2 count with a runner on 3rd. And if you’re a fan of Mike Fast’s pitch framing work, the Yankees trio also excels their as well, ranking among the top teams in the league at getting pitches on the corners of the plate called strikes. Suffice to say, Brian Cashman’s gamble on Stewart, Cervelli, and Romine has paid off.

The same can’t be said for Seattle’s gamble on Jesus Montero. Montero has been positively brutal behind the dish in his short time in the Emerald City. In 712 total innings (81 games) since coming over from New York, Montero has allowed 77 stolen bases while catching just 12 total runners. His 13.5% caught stealing ratio is about half as good as the Major League average. Factor that out to a full season of work and Montero gives some of the worst catchers over the past decade a run for their money.

The problems don’t stop there either. Jeff Sullivan of Lookout Landing and Fangraphs wrote a fascinating article on Montero’s stabs a year ago and it’s well worth checking out if you want all the gory details. Montero is a classic stabber when he receives a pitch, opting to push his glove at the ball rather than receiving the ball with as little movement as possible. Now, this type of glove movement doesn’t have too much of an effect, but it can be the difference between getting a borderline call or two at the plate, which, at the Major League level could be the difference between a win and a loss.

The funny thing is, the Mariners knew, or should have known, all of this. Prospect profiles on websites from Fangraphs to Baseball America to MLB.com to ESPN all viewed Montero as a poor defender, with the harshest critics suggesting an immediate move from to catcher or DH. The Yankees front office also appeared to have a complete lack of trust in Montero to get the job done and basically refused to play him behind the dish during his short call-up.

The good news is that Montero is only 23-years-old and has only 180 or so games under his belt. He still has plenty of room to improve as a hitter and his 22 homers in such a small amount of time should offer hope. But his days as a catcher should be numbered. Seattle needs to move Montero to DH full-time or they need to finally cut bait with 1st baseman Justin Smoak in order to give Montero a look at the corner. The fact is, Montero never was, never is, and never will be a league average defensive backstop. Seattle needs to realize that now before they derail yet another formerly promising prospect’s career as well as their own season.

Big thanks to Baseball-Reference and Fangraphs for the statistical help.

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Ed
Ed
11 years ago
Reply to  David Hruska

Shoppach actually had a positive defensive reputation when he was with the Indians…the fans took to calling him Shopvac. Of course, when the contrast is Victor Martinez….

mosc
mosc
11 years ago
Reply to  David Hruska

The M’s aren’t going to win the pennant this year. It’s not about putting the best players on the field. If you can develop Montero into a decent, even if below average catcher, then you do that. If they were a WAR or two away from competing then sure you can complain but they are treating his defense like AAA training time. His bat too, frankly. He’s only 23 as you pointed out and the M’s have the luxury of time right now. You let him try and figure it out because the potential is clearly there. Montero’s arm strength… Read more »

John Autin
Editor
11 years ago
Reply to  mosc

mosc, you may have a point about what the M’s *should* be doing with Montero. But it’s not what they’re actually doing. Montero and Shoppach have almost split the time behind the plate — 55% of innings for Montero, 45% for Shoppach. He obviously needs a LOT of work on his catching, but I don’t think 55% of the reps is much of a training regimen. Further, when Montero hasn’t caught, he has mostly sat — 1 game at DH, 2 as PH. Has he been injured? He hasn’t missed more than 2 straight games, but he also hasn’t played… Read more »

Ed
Ed
11 years ago

The Indians are dealing with this question as well with Carlos Santana and Yan Gomes. Gomes is clearly a lot better defensively than Santana. And while he’ll never be Santana’s equal with the bat, he has definite power – over 40% of his career base hits have gone for extra bases (his minor league % is over 40% as well so it’s no fluke). I think most teams would be quite happy with the combination of skills that Gomes has. Time will tell how the Indians deal with this issue.

mosc
mosc
11 years ago
Reply to  Ed

I think Santana should continue to catch part time. Having him essentially as their backup catcher while he gets considerable playing time at 1B and DH gives them flexibility to keep another bat around rather than a typical backup catcher. I would try to catch Gomes something like 2/3rds of the time and Santana 1/3 of the time. The single position mindset in baseball is not needed.

Ed
Ed
11 years ago
Reply to  mosc

Mosc – I agree with what you’re saying re: the single position mindset. I think that’s one of the things that’s really helped the Indians this year. They have 3 OFers who can play center. Swisher can play 1st or corner OF. Santana can catch or play 1st. Ryan Raburn can play the OF or 2nd. Mark Reynolds can play 1st or 3rd. Mike Aviles covers 2nd, SS, 3rd and corner OF. And Gomes can catch, play 1st or 3rd. Francona’s not using a strict platoon situation but the lineup seems to vary day to day based on who the… Read more »

Fireworks
Fireworks
11 years ago

Good article, though I’d like to mention a crucial criterion for just how disastrous Montero has been: tons of Yankees fans (misinformed, from where I stood) *hated* the Montero trade. And while Pineda has yet to throw a pitch for the Yanks no one even references the trade or cares about it anymore. You have to have performed really piss-poor to have been the subject of all that hype about your bat, come out and knock the ball around impressively in a short stint (though with K/BB markers that are not so optimistic), and then get traded for a (losing!!… Read more »

Doug
Doug
11 years ago

Here is an excellent piece on the finer points of pitch framing by Ben Lindbergh. Great visual aids contrasting the styles of the good (Jose Molina) and the bad (Ryan Doumit).

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9275754/studying-art-pitch-framing-catchers-such-francisco-cervelli-chris-stewart-jose-molina-others

bstar
11 years ago
Reply to  Doug

I love the part where the author says that a single ball turned into a strike is worth 0.13 runs. That can add up.

kingcrab
kingcrab
11 years ago
Reply to  Doug

it’s a nice piece and there is probably some validity to the framing, but in the example gif used, Molina’s pitch is a borderline strike and Doumit’s is clearly a ball. Doumit’s pitcher has a release point that is about a foot+ closer to third base and Molina’s pitcher’s release point is just on the edge of the rubber. it would have been nice to find a comparison where Molina had to frame a pitch that was clearly a ball and Doumit’s stabbing cost the pitcher a borderline strike.

mosc
mosc
11 years ago
Reply to  kingcrab

Had to be the same umpire and the same pitch type. You’re not going to get many samples closer than that.

Doug
Editor
11 years ago

Interesting the Yankees would be focusing on defense with their catchers, having done pretty well with a below average defensive catcher in Posada. Posada actually ranks 4th worst all time in WAR Fielding Runs, which is probably testament to both his longevity and his defense. Rk Player Rfield From To Age G PA Pos Tm 1 Michael Barrett -71 1998 2009 21-32 1054 3873 *25/36D MON-CHC-TOT-SDP-TOR 2 Ed Taubensee -65 1991 2001 22-32 975 3178 *2/3D79 CLE-HOU-TOT-CIN 3 Mike Piazza -63 1992 2007 23-38 1912 7745 *2D/3 LAD-TOT-NYM-SDP-OAK 4 Jorge Posada -60 1995 2011 23-39 1829 7150 *2D/34 NYY 5… Read more »

mosc
mosc
11 years ago
Reply to  Doug

Posada handled the pitching staff fairly well though and was a good pitch framer (not a stabber). Catching defensive stats are still pretty raw to me. I think Posada also had a much better arm than montero. Posada’s arm was very wild though, which made him fairly weak at controlling the basepaths. You didn’t get any of those on the money bullet throws back to first from Posada. He was pretty likely to throw it in the outfield if you asked him to. I’m not sure Montero could throw to the outfield.

birtelcom
Editor
11 years ago

For what it’s worth:
–Posada was the starting catcher in about 2/3 of the Yankee’s regular season games from 1997 through 2010.
–From 1997 through 2010, Yankees pitchers had an overall regular season ERA of 4.23
–Over Posada’s career as a catcher (which was almost entirely from 1997 through 2010), the ERA of Yankee pitchers with Posada behind the plate averaged 4.32.

mosc
mosc
11 years ago
Reply to  birtelcom

His back was Jose Molina for 3 of those years (07-09), one of which posada was out for a while. Several other backup catchers the yankees had during those years were great framers (John Flaherty, some guy named Joe Girardi)

I think that ERA points to Posada being an above average framer.

Ed
Ed
11 years ago

I guess the answer is no. Montero’s been demoted.

Brendan
Brendan
11 years ago
Reply to  Ed

Not because of his defense.