A few Tuesday game notes

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@Reds 4, Brewers 3: While Bronson Arroyo was holding Milwaukee hitless through 7, winless Marco Estrada was racking up 12 strikeouts through 6 innings. But Estrada was bitten again by his pet varmint, the gopher — a 3-run shot by Jay Bruce in Estrada’s final stanza. It was Bruce’s 3rd HR (and second 3-run job) in 11 ABs off Estrada, who has now allowed 10 HRs in 42 IP. His rate of 2.14 HR/9 IP is so high that a 1-HR stint actually lowered his average, but it’s still the highest among those with at least 40 IP.

Arroyo lost the no-no in the 8th, on a 1-out double by Taylor Green after a walk. Pinch-hitter Corey Hart made it a game again with a 2-run double, and with 2 out, Nori Aoki singled home the tying run. But in the home half, Drew Stubbs continued his happy return from the DL with a leadoff first-pitch HR off beleaguered John Axford, who blew a lead for the 4th time in his last 7 games. Stubbs reached in 3 of 4 trips Monday with a double and a steal, scoring twice in a 3-1 win, and tonight had a walk and his 15th steal (3 CS) before the go-ahead HR.

Aroldis Chapman kept things lively in the 9th, falling behind 3-and-0 to Ryan Braun before buzzing 3 straight strikes and then walking Aramis Ramirez on 4 pitches. But he whiffed the last 2 men on 7 pitches, with a foul and 5 missed swings, to seal his first save and scoreless game since June 16. Chapman has 64 Ks in 36.1 IP, fanning 45.3% of his 141 batters.

Stubbs has 53 HRs since his 2009 debut, tied for 97th in MLB — but his 6 go-ahead HRs in the 8th or later are tied for 13th, along with noted sluggers like Albert Pujols (the over-all HR leader with 137 in that span), Prince Fielder (127) and teammate Jay Bruce (96), and one behind Joey Votto (105).

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@Yankees 6, Indians 4: Stymied in the clinches for 8 innings by Phil Hughes, the Tribe managed a spark in the 9th, scoring 4 with 2 out against a secondary reliever, but they never got the tying run to the plate and dropped their 4th straight. That’s 18-5 in June for the hottest (best?) team around. For Hughes, the first scoreless start at home since May 2010 (31 games ago), and first at home without a HR in 8 starts since last August (when he was routed out in the 3rd).

Alex Rodriguez popped career HR number 642, now within 18 of Willie Mays for the #4 spot.
2 more bingles for Derek Jeter, now 1 behind Cal Ripken (3,184) for #14 all-time.
At 45-28, New York is 2 games off their best record of the century at this point in the season. They’re now on a 100-win pace for the first time this year. They’ve scored 3+ runs in 24 straight games, the longest streak of any team this season by a margin of 5.

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White Sox 3, @Twins 2: Backing up a slumping power core, Alex Rios put the Pale Hose in front with a 2-run HR in the 4th, then singled, stole and scored on another single in the 7th. Gavin Floyd followed strong on the heels of his last outing with 7 more zeroes (9 Ks, no walks), giving him consecutive scoreless starts for the 2nd time in 168 career starts. Minnesota got 2 in the 9th off Addison Reed, with the help of a walk and an 0-and-2 HBP, and had the winning run aboard when Denard Span grounded out to end it; they went 1 for 10 with RISP.

Twins SP Liam Hendriks fell to 0-5 in his 7 starts this year and 0-7 in 11 career games, the worst career beginning in franchise history (to at least 1918). Outside of Scott Diamond (6-3, 2.67), Minny starters are 13-33, and 7 of their 8 with at least 4 starts have ERAs of 5.34 and up in that role.
Through June 12, Paul Konerko batted .373. In his last 12 games, he’s 7 for 45 with 1 HR, shedding 40 points off that BA. Meanwhile, Adam Dunn‘s last 10 games: 3 for 36, 1 RBI, 1 Run, 21 strikeouts.
The Sox are 8-12 in their last 20 games, but have the same 1.5-game lead in baseball’s most winnable division.

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Nationals 12, @Rockies 5 (8th): Washington was one of three teams yet to score in double-digits this year, but you had to figure a 4-pack in Coors Field would erase that blot. They bumped by 3 their season highs in both runs and hits through just 7 innings, and hit 4 HRs for the first time since last September. Every starting player had a hit, including an RBI single for Gio Gonzalez.

Gonzalez allowed 2 HRs, one more than the total of his last 15 starts, and yielded 5 runs for the first time in 19 starts — but he’s still in line to be 10-3.
Barring a big rally — not to be dismissed — the Rox will be 28-45, tying the 3rd-worst start in club history.
2 HRs by Adam LaRoche, the 11th multi-HR game in Coors this year out of 109 in the majors — 3 times their “fair share.”

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@Rangers 7, Tigers 5: Trailing 3-1, Texas scored 4 in the 4th (without a HR) and were never headed. After driving in the tying run, Nelson Cruz‘s 2-out steal of 2nd set up the go-ahead and insurance runs; he scored on a single, and Yorvit Torrealba took 2nd on the throw home, whence he scored on another single.

Yu Darvish (7 IP, 4 R, 10 Ks in his 15th start) became the fastest Ranger ever to 10 career wins, and the first starter on any team with 10 wins in his first 15 career starts since Jered Weaver in 2006.
Detroit’s offensive problems are captured by the totals and slash lines in this box score: Nos. 1-4 had all 5 RBI and 4 of the Runs, and are all batting over .300, with OBP from .363 to .400, and 3 of them slugging over .500. The other spots are black holes. They’re last in OPS and Runs from the #5 spot, last in OPS from #6, 11th in Runs from #7, 10th in OPS from #8.

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nightfly

12 years ago

Twenty-one punch-outs in his last thirty-six at-bats? Holy shamoley. He’s the Greed God of Whiffs.

12 years ago

Reply to nightfly

If Adam Dunn were a Greek deity, who would he be? Ananke, the goddess of inevitability?

Apparently Ananke derives from the Greek word meaning force (home runs), constraint (walks) and necessity (strike outs).

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John Autin

12 years ago

Reply to RJ

It makes me happy to know that a man in Madrid is thinking about American sport in terms of Greek myth.

I’ll have to ask my daughter Clio what she knows of this Ananke lass. If Clio doesn’t know, maybe her good friend Ariadne will.

12 years ago

Reply to John Autin

Ah, Madrid for not much longer! I’ll soon be transferring to the London branch of the High Heat Stats foreign desk, a whole hour closer to the action!

Jim Bouldin

12 years ago

Reply to RJ

Aeolus, God of the Winds!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeolus

Mark in Sydney

12 years ago

To take nothing away from Hughes, this kind of “play” doesn’t really help anyone

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=22614397&c_id=mlb

I really don’t hold with the “win at any cost” attitude. After all, it was a great attempt, he fluffed it, and no damage done. This way, there is just a sour taste left behind.

12 years ago

Reply to Mark in Sydney

You beat me too it Mark in Sydney! This ump needs a really, really long suspension (which will never happen of course). As this photo shows, there’s a fan a couple feet from Wise holding the ball, right in the ump’s face. https://twitter.com/ChrisKreitzer12/status/217801464733630464/photo/1
Maybe the ump didn’t see it, but it also means he never asked Wise to see if the ball was in Wise’s glove.

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John Autin

12 years ago

Reply to Mark in Sydney

Thanks for that link, Mark. I’m still a little confused: Didn’t there have to be a point at which the umps realized that Wise didn’t come out of the stands with a baseball in his grasp? If so, what did they do then? The only alternative explanation for the ball’s disappearance would be a ruling that he held the ball long enough for the catch, then lost it in the fan scrum. That’s just implausible. I had to watch the clip a couple of times to finally see where the ump makes the out call — it’s just after the… Read more »

12 years ago

Reply to John Autin

John – Peter Gammons has called for the ump to be suspended. Not exactly for messing up the call, but for later ejecting Hannahan for arguing the call.

Peter Gammons ‏ @ pgammo “And Dimuro further embarressed the game by ejecting Hanrahan. Ejections in defense of incompetency should be a suspendable offense”.

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John Autin

12 years ago

Reply to Ed

Well … I think there’s a question of timing. As I said, I can’t tell from the clip on MLB.com if there was ever a point at which the ump(s) realized that Wise didn’t have the ball. But if Hannahan’s argument occurred before that, and if his behavior warranted an ejection, then the fact that the call was wrong is irrelevant. I do sympathize with Hannahan and the Cleveland team and fans. And I am anything but the paragon of restraint when I feel I’ve been wronged. But being right is not a blanket defense for all offensive behaviors. In… Read more »

12 years ago

Reply to John Autin

There’s no doubt that it was a tough call. Which is all the more reason for the ump to ask to see the ball. The fact that he didn’t is just bizarre and demands some sort of explanation from the ump. As for the ejection, Hannahan was ejected the following inning, after watching a replay betweem innings. (supposedly the ump also blew an earlier call that also involved Hannahan and led to the Yankees scoring 3 runs). Here are quotes from the Cleveland Plain Dealer: “He blew the call in the second inning that led to three runs and that… Read more »

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John Autin

12 years ago

Reply to John Autin

Ed @15 — Assuming Hannahan is telling the truth about the circumstances of his ejection, as you say, I would agree that some discipline of Dimuro is in order.

Gotta love his quote: “In hindsight, I should have asked him to show me the ball since …”

Since … let’s see … since that’s the basic requirement for recording an out, and you must have been stoned not to have that as your first thought?

12 years ago

Reply to John Autin

According to a NY writer, the ump confirms Hannahan’s story:

“He and I got into a discussion about the play,” DiMuro said. “He told me to reference the tape replay, and that is why I ejected him.”

Wow, I

12 years ago

Reply to John Autin

Hmm…comment posted before I was done.

I have no idea what to say in response to the ump’s comment. Stunned.

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/yankees/post/_/id/38344/thanks-ump

BTW, the NY writer also confirms that the same ump blew the call in the second inning.

Hartvig

12 years ago

Reply to John Autin

I tend to defend umps because we all make mistakes but the idea of Hanrahan being tossed for telling the ump that instant replay clearly showed that that ball was not caught is just shear arrogance.

Blowing the call is one thing. But not doing your job properly (asking to see the ball) and then taking it out on someone else is just inexcusable.

Mark in Sydney

12 years ago

Reply to John Autin

John, Right, I do think Wise should have fessed up. I do realize that this is going against “baseball tradition” but I argue that times have changed and replays and slo-mo means that this kind of cheat rarely go unnoticed. In the end, all that this does is tell the watching public that Wise is capable of pulling a swift one. He is now a suspect cheater and should be seen as such. MLB spend millions chasing other cheaters yet lets such obvious, little cheats go. I think it sends the wrong message to the kiddies and, on that basis,… Read more »

MikeD

12 years ago

Reply to Mark in Sydney

So taking that along a similar line, an OFer who traps a ball should immediately tell the ump he trapped the ball instead of taking the out? The replay will almost always show if the ball was trapped or not, and the OFer always knows if he traps the ball because he can feel the bounce in the glove. So the OFer should come clean, even if it’s on a game-winning hit?

Mark in Sydney

12 years ago

Reply to MikeD

That is part of the bang-bang thing, for me, Mike. Sometimes you know as a fielder, sometimes not. Sometimes you think you know and are wrong. That is the job of the umpires.

And, yes, if you know that you haven’t caught the ball cleanly, keep playing, don’t try milk the ump for the catch.

For me, it wouldn’t matter if this play would have clinched the World Series or just a regular season game. It is a game, not life or death. There is no downside to playing fair.

12 years ago

Reply to MikeD

Like this? http://washington.nationals.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=22049755

Personally, I feel it’s out of order.

MikeD

12 years ago

Reply to MikeD

I hear what you’re saying, Mark, and in a pure baseball world where all followed those rules I’d be fine with it. Yet it’s just the opposite. Ballplayers are taught specific ways to try and steal calls, be it on trapped balls, HBPs, and close plays on the infield. Players believe umpires miss calls on them, so I don’t expect they’ll willingly give back calls that go their way since the umpires won’t be doing anything similar. To create a new category of when a player has to make a decision to basically overrule the umpire’s call creates a fuzzy… Read more »

bstar

12 years ago

Reply to Mark in Sydney

I don’t have a problem with Wise not telling the ump he didn’t catch the ball-that would be kind of unprecedented if he did, wouldn’t it? Different versions of this happen all the time. Jeter pretending a ball hit him to get a free pass to first base, a baserunner knowing he was out on a tag play, etc. If the ump’s going to offer you a free out, from a competitive standpoint, how can you not take it for your team?

Mark in Sydney

12 years ago

Reply to bstar

There is no question, bstar, that this is the way that the game has been played. If you can get an out, or a base, or a run, by fooling someone, then good for you! For me, personal integrity amounts to more than any of these. My argument is that the game has changed and that we expect these million dollars stars to behave like the privileged people they are. Step up and be the role-models we want you to be. Be the heroes you think you are. The kiddies are watching and, like that apocryphal Shoeless Joe line, they… Read more »

12 years ago

Clayton Kershaw is very good dept: http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=22620905&c_id=mlb

Vogelsong is the proverbial unmovable object though. 2-0, Giants to within a game.

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John Autin

12 years ago

Reply to RJ

Kershaw is very good indeed, but that pitch was never over home plate. Dreadful call.

But ultimately, all must bow down to the Melk Man.

12 years ago

Reply to John Autin

Really? I didn’t think it looked too bad. Blanco didn’t complain, although to be fair he wasn’t actually looking at the pitch 🙂

12 years ago

Meanwhile, Joey Votto got another double, bringing his season total to 31 and putting him on pace for about 69, which would break the MLB record of 67 set by Earl Webb in 1931. Even just getting to 60 would be noteworthy…it’s only happened 6 other times, most recently by Charlie Gehringer and Joe Medwick in 1936. (Todd Helton fell one short in 2000).

12 years ago

Reply to Ed

I noticed Votto’s double total the other day (when he had 29) and was thinking 60 a possibility, but whenever someone’s been on that pace these past years they end up in the 50s. I’d like to see it. He also might even have a chance at 400 TBs and 100 XBHs, not done since 2001. Didn’t realize Rice is the last person to have 400 TBs in the AL, way back when, and when he did it it hadn’t been done since DiMaggio in ’37…

Lawrence Azrin

12 years ago

Reply to PP

Votto projects to 69 doubles, 100 XBHs, and 360 total bases. Since he’s played in every one of the Reds 73 games so far, any future games missed are going to cut down the projections a little. I think he’ll fall just short of the 60 doubles and 100 XBHs. I remember players such as Nomar (2002) and Brian Roberts (2009) getting off to tremendous doubles starts, and looking like they might challenge Earl Webb, but regressing to their “normal” doubles rates and falling short of 60 (both had 56 2Bs). Odd that with all the XBH’s and high BA,… Read more »

12 years ago

Reply to Lawrence Azrin

Primary #1 and #2 hitters for the Reds include Zack Cozart (50 games leading off; 13 batting second; .295 OBP), Drew Stubbs (8 games leading off, 38 batting second, .312 OBP) and Chris Heisey (7 games leading off, 12 batting second, .298 OBP).

Unfortunately, outside of Votto himself, the Reds don’t have high OBP hitters.

12 years ago

Reply to Ed

BTW, should Votto break the record, he will have likely played more games than Webb (who did it in a 154 game schedule) and will therefore deserve a big fat asterisk next to his name!!! (just kidding)

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John Autin

12 years ago

Reply to Lawrence Azrin

I’ll enjoy it if Votto makes a run at the record, but I have to agree that his doubles rate is likely to fall, and more than just a little. There are two separate outlying rates in play here: (1) He’s hitting .353, thanks to a .417 BAbip. Votto has never batted over .324. I wouldn’t be shocked if he hit .350. But that .417 BAbip would be the 8th-highest ever by a qualifier, and easily the highest since 1925. (2) Doubles make up 34.8% of his hits. No one with 50+ doubles has ever had a percentage that high.… Read more »

12 years ago

Reply to John Autin

Of course, that raises the issue of players deliberately avoiding a triple to go for a record…. 🙂

Lawrence Azrin

12 years ago

Reply to Ed

On a semi-serious note, is there another player besides Earl Webb who had a shorter career (7 yrs/650 G), but has held a somewhat major single-season record (doubles) for a significant period of time (71 years)?

For example, Charlie Eden (4 yrs/226 G) had previously held the doubles record, but only for three years. And he set it in 1879.

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John Autin

12 years ago

Reply to Lawrence Azrin

Hmmm … Well, John Coleman pitched for only 6 seasons (1883-86, ’89-90), and still holds the following season records (set in his first year):
— Losses, 48
— Hits allowed, 772
— Earned Runs, 291

Lawrence Azrin

12 years ago

Reply to John Autin

John A.,

Perhaps I should’ve qualified my question with “… somewhat major POSITIVE single season record…”.

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John Autin

12 years ago

Reply to Lawrence Azrin

Perry Werden held the season record for Winning Percentage (12-1, .923) from 1884 until 1937. That was his only year pitching.

Doug

12 years ago

Reply to Lawrence Azrin

Here’s some more.

Since 1901:
– Yougest pitcher to win game, and to throw complete game – Rogers McKee, career of 5 games
– Youngest pitcher to start game – Jim Derrington, career of 21 games

Richard Chester

12 years ago

Reply to Ed

There are 14 other players who have hit 31 2B in their team’s first 73 games. Here are their 73G and seasonal totals.

Player………….Year…..73G……Season
Edgar Martinez…..1996……37……….52
Earl Webb……….1931……36……….67
Paul Waner………1932……36……….62
Chuck Knoblauch….1994……35……….45
George Burns…….1926……34……….64
M. Ordonez………2007……34……….54
Mark Grace………1995……33……….51
Red Worthington….1932……32……….35
Billy Herman…….1936……32……….57
Craig Biggio…….1999……31……….56
Joe Medwick……..1937……31……….56
Mike Sweeney…….2001……31……….46
Hank Greenberg…..1940……31……….50
Tris Speaker…….1922……31……….48

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John Autin

12 years ago

Reply to Richard Chester

Well done, Richard!

P.S. I don’t recall knowing of Red Worthington. His career really skidded off a cliff, somehow. He batted .303 that year, his 2nd, with a 117 OPS+ — but got barely 100 ABs in the majors thereafter.

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John Autin

12 years ago

Reply to John Autin

Odd thing about Worthington in ’32: He hit 24 of his 35 doubles at home, but the rest of the team hit more doubles on the road (and were last in the league in doubles). Red slugged 102 points better at home, while the team slugged a little better on the road.

bstar

12 years ago

Reply to Richard Chester

In his aforementioned 2001 59-double season of 2001, Todd Helton had 26 doubles after 73 team games.

Richard Chester

12 years ago

Reply to Richard Chester

Every one of those 14 players had fewer doubles in the remaining 80-90 games than in the first 73 games.

bstar

12 years ago

Reply to Richard Chester

Then Helton’s 2001 season would be an exception to that, as he had 26/33 before/after to accumulate 59 for that year.

Abbott

12 years ago

In the 162 games he played between 6/20/1995 and 6/16/1996, Edgar Martinez had 73 doubles!

Lawrence Azrin

12 years ago

Reply to Abbott

Oh, the Joy Of Selective Endpoints – wasn’t it also pointed out several times here that Boggs hit .400 over a 162-game span?

12 years ago

In other news, Omar Vizquel has announced his retirement.

Lawrence Azrin

12 years ago

Reply to Ed

Inevitable follow-up question: Omar Vizquel, HOFer or not a HOFer? The answer will in large part be determined by how great a fielder you think he is. I think he was great, but not quite at Ozzie Smith’s level – an outstanding career but not quite a HOFer. But if he’s elected, it wouldn’t be a travesty. Part of that is that Ozzie’s offensive style fit in much better during the era he played – a major lack of power wasn’t as big a negative in the 1980s NL. Looking at total offensive value from B-R, or: {Rbat + Rbaser… Read more »

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John Autin

12 years ago

Reply to Lawrence Azrin

I’m among the minority(?) who think that Omar Vizquel’s election actually would be a travesty. He was a good player for a long time, but had maybe 1 year as an impact player. It’s not just that he had no power. Over the course of his career, his OBP was less than the park-adjusted league average. That combination is a huge negative. I have not yet succeeded in changing the mind of anyone who already thinks he belongs (or belongs in the discussion), but maybe this angle will make a bigger dent: — Money talks. Vizquel was never in the… Read more »

12 years ago

Reply to John Autin

My quick take:

1) If during your prime, no one ever suggested that you might someday be a HOFer, there’s a 99.99999999% chance you don’t belong in the Hall.

2) If, at best, you were the 5th or 6th best player on a team that never won a WS, there’s a 99.99999999% chance you don’t belong in the Hall.

Lawrence Azrin

12 years ago

Reply to John Autin

So, to define our terms better, who(m) precisely _would_ be the “travesty” HOF picks? I’d start with some of the Friends of Frankie Frisch (Highpockets Kelly, Jesse Haines, Freddie Lindstrom, Chick Hafey), also Lloyd Waner, and Tommy McCarthy. There’s at least 10/12 I could add. I think a good starting point might be: “There are at least as many non-HOF players at his position who are as good as him, as there are _actual_ HOF players at that position. For instance, Lindstrom is rated in the BJNHA as, what, the 43rd best third baseman? There’s only 11 or 13 (depending… Read more »

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John Autin

12 years ago

Reply to Lawrence Azrin

I think the “Who’s Out” page of Adam Darowski’s Hall of Weighted WAR is a good starting point for the “travesty” discussion, though I am by no means deeming all those listed there as travesty selections.

http://darowski.com/hall-of-wwar/#whos-out

Lawrence Azrin

12 years ago

Reply to John Autin

There’s a similar “Omar Vizquel, HOFer or not a HOFer?’ discussion going on now at baseballthinkfactory.com, which I am sure at least several of you here also read.

Comment #18 there makes the point that I am trying to make, better than I have – while I don’t consider him a HOFer, he does have a reasonable HOF argument, based on the previous HOF SS of his type elected (Maranville, Aparicio, Ozzie).

Lawrence Azrin

12 years ago

#40/John A.,

Thanks for the reference; from Adam’s Weighted WAR chart, I’d call only 20 (at most) out of 66 of those listed “travesty” HOF picks. Several are solid HOF picks, with a bunch of borderline ones.

The larger point is that I don’t consider Omar Vizquel to be as bad as the worst of these HOF “travesty” picks.

HOWEVER, if Vizquel gets in the HOF before Alan Trammell, that _would_ be a travesty.

Hartvig

12 years ago

Reply to Lawrence Azrin

Amen brother!

Unfortunately I suspect we’ll hear a lot more of the “If Ozzie is in then so should Omar” argument than “If Trammell’s not in then we shouldn’t even be talking about Omar” in years to come.

Lawrence Azrin

12 years ago

Reply to Hartvig

Agreed! – I’d also put Jim Fregosi and Bill Dahlen in the HOF before Vizquel. But I’m mixing up the BBWAA and Veterans’ votes.

Shping

12 years ago

So Omar will retire soon, and in interesting timing, the Jays will hopefully call up Jamie Moyer soon to join him on the roster (oldest teammates ever?)

Meanwhile, Seattle/Tacoma fans will likely get a rare treat tomorrow/Thurs when Moyer and the Las Vegas 51s are scheduled to visit the Tacoma Rainiers and their 22-yr-old phenom prospect, Danny Hultzen. It should be a great homecoming of sorts for Moyer, plus a pitching matchup for the ages.

Can’t resist a headline: “49er to lead 51s against 27-yr-junior”

Good column about it in the Tacoma paper today too:
http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/06/27/v-printerfriendly/2195824/moyer-hultzen-or-felix-your-call.html

Lawrence Azrin

12 years ago

Reply to Shping

(“oldest teammates ever?”) – I tried a few educated guesses: 1933 Reds: Jack Quinn 49, Eppa Rixey 42 2007 Braves: Julio Franco 48, John Smoltz 40 I am not sure if they were on the team at the same time. It’s not exactly the question you asked, but the 1928 A’s probably had the most used-to-be-great old players (40 or over) ever: 41 – Ty Cobb 41 – Eddie Collins 40 – Tris Speaker That’s not even counting Jack Quinn (43). The 1927 A’s had Zack Wheat (39) instead of Speaker. The 1983 Phillies {Morgan (39)/ Rose (42)/ Perez (41)/… Read more »

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Doug

12 years ago

Reply to Lawrence Azrin

These are the teams with the most 40-something players. – 2007 New York Mets, 6, Sandy Alomar / Moises Alou / Jeff Conine / Julio Franco / Tom Glavine / Orlando Hernandez – 1947 Chicago White Sox, 5, Luke Appling / Earl Caldwell / Joe Kuhel / Thornton Lee / Red Ruffing – 2006 New York Mets, 4, Julio Franco / Tom Glavine / Orlando Hernandez / Roberto Hernandez – 1983 Philadelphia Phillies, 4, Tony Perez / Ron Reed / Bill Robinson / Pete Rose – 1958 New York Yankees, 4, Murry Dickson / Sal Maglie / Enos Slaughter /… Read more »

Doug

12 years ago

Reply to Shping

Should Moyer and Vizquel become teammates, the Jays would be the first team with “legitimate” teammates both aged 45 or older. Previous mark was two 44 year-old teammates on the 1986 Reds (Rose & Perez) and the 1992 White Sox (Hough & Fisk).

Jim O’Rourke (54) and Dan Brouthers (46) teamed up for a couple of games for the 1904 Giants, 11 and 8 years after their last ML appearances. Charlie O’Leary (58) and Grover Hartley (46) did the same sort of thing with the 1934 Browns.

MikeD

12 years ago

Reply to Doug

What are the chances Moyer won’t join the Jays? I would normally say it’s a crazy idea, but right now they’re in search of arms to hold them over. Not sure what the state of their minor leagues is right now when it comes to pitching, but my guess is not great since they had already pushed along two of their young arms, grabbing them both out of AA if I remember. Moyer maybe a necessary evil for them right now.

Shping

12 years ago

And by the way — i’m sure John or someone will comment on this later, with far more insight — but D.Ortiz’s current line today: 1-1 with 4 runs scored.

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John Autin

12 years ago

Reply to Shping

There’s a few weird things going on in the day games.

BTW, I feel bad for Casey Coleman, a 3rd-generation MLB player — but he’s not remotely worthy of being in MLB just now.

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John Autin

12 years ago

Reply to Shping

Lucas Duda has a 2-3-0-0 cooking.

Richard Chester

12 years ago

Reply to Shping

There have been 3 occasions of 1-1 with 5 runs scored: Bill Wambsganss (the unassisted triple-play guy) on 9-10-21, Ira Flagstead on 5-8-25 and Jody Davis on 6-3-87. There have been 19 occasions of 1-1 and 4 runs scored.

12 years ago

Reply to Shping

More weird things: the Giants are three outs away from shutting the Dodgers out of an entire three game set! That’s remarkable no? And to put them in a tie for first to boot.

12 years ago

Reply to RJ

And there it is.