Triple X: Extended Expansion Excellence

From the beginning of the 2008 season through last night’s ninth-inning win, the Tampa Bay Rays have a .571 winning percentage in regular season games (388 wins, 291 losses). That’s the third best record in the majors over that period, behind the Yankees (.590) and the Phillies (.585).

To maintain at least a .571 record for the period 2008 through the full 2012 season, the Rays would have to finish with at least 95 wins this season, which is tough but possible.  They did won 97 games in ’08 and 96 games in 2010, and they are already at 20 wins in 31 games for the 2012 season, the second-best record in the majors at the moment.  As discussed after the jump, that .571 level over five seasons of play is an unusual level of sustained success for a franchise created after 1960.

Of the thirty franchises in the major leagues, fourteen began play after 1960 (the others date back to at 1901 or earlier).  It is has been relatively rare for a post-1960 franchise to sustain a full five-season period of winning at  a rate of .571 or better, as now seems within the Rays’ reach for the 2008-2012 period. Here’s a list of post-1960 franchises that have had full five-season periods with a winning percentage of .571 or better:

Royals 1976-1980 (.575 winning percentage over that five-year period)
Mets 1984-1988 (.604), 1985-1989 (.600), 1986-1990 (.592)
Mariners 1999-2003 (.583)
Angels 2004-2008 (.580), 2005-2009 (.586)

The Royals of 1976-1980 were managed for the fist four years by Whitey Herzog, but it was Jim Frey who finally took them to the World Series in 1980.  Kansas City didn’t win its only world championship until later, 1985, though a number of the stars from those late 70’s teams were still around for the 1985 World Series win : George Brett, Frank White, Willie Wilson, Hal McRae, Dan Quisenberry.

 The Mets of 1984-1990 were managed throughout by Davey Johnson  and won one world championship, in 1986. 

The Mariners of 1999-2003  were manged by Lou Piniella, except for the last year of the sequence, when Bob Melvin was at the helm.  The Mariners of ’99-’03, like every other Mariners team, fell short of getting to the World Series. 

The Angels of  2004-2009 were managed by Mike Scioscia, who took over the club in 2000 and has been running them ever since.  Who were the managers of the Angels in 1999, just before Scioscia arrived?  For most of that 1999 season the manager was Terry Collins, now running the Mets, and for the last 29 games of that 1999 season the Angels manager was  Joe Maddon, the Rays’ manager since 2006.  The Angels and Scioscia won their world championship in 2002, before  the string of consistent multi-season excellence that began in 2004.  The Angels dropped to 77 wins in their post-championship season of 2003, and despite the sustained regular season success of 2004-2009, have not managed to get back to the World Series since ’02.

Other post-1960 franchises have won world championships, but without sustaining regular season success at the .571 level for five seasons.  Toronto won back -to-back championships in 1992 and 1993, and they had the best regular season in the majors over the five-year period from 1989 to 1993, but that was with a .564 winning percentage.   Arizona won a world championship in just its fourth season of its existence, during a five-year period (from its  second through its sixth year of play) in which the D-backs’ regular season record was a very solid .567, just short of Tampa’s current 2008-2012 level of .571.   And the Marlins have won two world championships (1997 and 2003) but have never had even one single regular season with a winning percentage as high as .571.

Can Tampa keep up their extended period of baseball excellence? And will they cash it in with a world championship at some point?     

 

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Brent
Brent
12 years ago

For all the northern Texas fans out there, the Rangers would need to win 111 games this year to get their winning percentage for the last 5 years to .571.

birtelcom
birtelcom
12 years ago
Reply to  Brent

It’s not inconceivable: Seattle won 116 in 2001 and the Yanks won 114 in 1998. And the Rangers’ net runs scored over runs allowed so far this season has been that of a team playing .700 or better baseball.

Brent
Brent
12 years ago
Reply to  birtelcom

111 wins would seem unlikely, but if they won 100 games this year (a more reasonable goal), then next year they would only need 90 wins to get to the .571 mark for a 5 year period. Or put another way, 190 wins in the next two years.

Neil L.
Neil L.
12 years ago
Reply to  birtelcom

Hey, the Rangers only split with the perennial doormats of the AL East today, the Baltimore Orioles. How good can they really be?

OK, OK, just kidding. But they are not winning 111 games this year,

Doug
Editor
12 years ago

Is the proportion of teams who meet this 5-year performance standard much higher for non-expansion teams?

birtelcom
birtelcom
12 years ago
Reply to  Doug

Just looking at the most recent full five year period, the 2007-2011 five-year period, the Yankees, Red Sox and Phillies all topped .571. To pick another at random, over 1999-2003, the Braves, Yanks, Giants and A’s, in addition to Seattle, all topped .571. At least two (and sometimes more)non-expansion teams were over .571 for the immediately preceding five-year period every year between 1997 and 2009, and again every year between 1973 and 1981. From ’82 to ’96, most years had one non-expansion team topping the .571 mark for the preceding five years (1985 and 1986, 1988 and 1989, and 1993… Read more »

Evan
Evan
12 years ago
Reply to  birtelcom

The Yankees have exceeded a .571 winning percentage for every 5 year period from 1993 to present.

Ken
Ken
12 years ago
Reply to  birtelcom

Though a lot of expansion teams have managed an admirable short-term stretch of seasons, I find it puzzling that still not a single one has managed to have an overall winning record since inception. Sure, they were all expected to be doormats when they cranked up, and it would take a lot of wins to offset those initial losses. But not even one in over 50 years has scraped up even one more win than losses? Especially for the ’60s entrants, I would imagine that whatever shortcomings they had initially would have long since been overcome so that somehow at… Read more »

Neil L.
Neil L.
12 years ago
Reply to  Ken

Ken, a good post!

The thinking in this blog leaves out the variable of free agency and big money.

It is so difficult to retain players born and bred in your minor-league system when they qualify for free agency if you are a smaller market team. You have just developed them to play for another team with the money to wave under their nose.

“Especially for the ’60s entrants, I would imagine ….”

Which franchises from the sixties are you referring to specifically? The Astros, Angels, Mets, Expos, Royals, Padres or Brewers?

Ken
Ken
12 years ago
Reply to  Neil L.

Neil, you’re right; a lot of the expansion teams were small markets that didn’t have the deep pockets of the original founding teams, of which most were big-market areas.

I wasn’t really referring to any of the 60’s entrants specifically. It just seemed like any of them over time would have a statistically greater chance of offsetting their first few years’ losses and eventually have an overall winning record. The longer your team has been playing, the less likely your first few expansion years’ losses would have an overwhelming effect on your cumulative W-L record.

Lawrence Azrin
Lawrence Azrin
12 years ago
Reply to  Ken

Ken, Great point, well expressed. I have a theory: over the last fifty years, MLB has been dominated overall by a handful of teams: The Cardinals, Giants, Dodgers, Orioles, Red Sox, (and especially) the Yankees. Now, all of these teams have had bad stretches (especially the Orioles), but collectively these teams are many hundreds of gamnes above .500. This means that, by definition, the rest of MLB is well below .500. There’s just not enough wins yo go around if a core group of teams performs above-average for a long period of time*. Looking at the lifetime team W-L history,… Read more »

e pluribus munu
e pluribus munu
12 years ago
Reply to  Ken

I’m not sure there is a strong expansion team pattern, Ken, so long as you don’t ask them to make up the handicap of their break-in years. If you subtract the deficit of losing records prior to the first .500 season, the Astros, Mets, Diamonbacks, and Blue Jays all have winning records, and the Angels would be there too, if Albert weren’t sleeping this season. If you look at the original franchises and subtract the pre-1900 NL records (which are over .500, reflecting wins against weaker franchises that did not survive) *and* wins against not-yet-established expansion franchises, only a few… Read more »