Notes on Moose

Bill “Moose” Skowron passed away on Friday.  Skowron was one of the first baseball players I was ever aware of, going back to when I was maybe four years old.  I don’t think I knew anything about him as a ballplayer, but the nickname was irresistible to a four-year-old. I probably thought he was an actual moose of some sort, though at the time that would, as far as I knew, have meant Bullwinkle or a stuffed animal.

One stat that offers a useful illustration of Skowron’s most prominent role in MLB history: Despite the fact that he played before there was any post-season play other than the World Series, Moose’s career total of 9 RBI in World Series Game Sevens remains the most career RBI that any player has ever accumulated in post-season sudden-death games.  Yogi Berra and Troy O’Leary  had eight RBI in sudden-death games  (O’Leary had seven ribbies for Boston in Game 5 of the 1999 ALDS against Cleveland, and one more for the Cubs in a losing cause — on a pinch-hit homer in the last plate appearance of his career — the  day after the Bartman game).  Mickey Mantle and Manny Ramirez each had seven RBI in sudden death games.  But no one other than Moose Skowron has had nine.

As Bill James pointed out in his New Historical  Abstract, Skowron might have been a somewhat bigger individual star had he played primarily with another team.  With the Yanks he wasn’t truly playing every day until relatively late, and Yankees Stadium hurt his home run totals — for his career he had 125 homers on the road and only 86 at home.  Moose (26.8 career bWAR) didn’t walk enough to be a great hitter, but with more playing time and a friendlier home park he might have been, say, Cecil Cooper (34.5 career bWAR), another first baseman who didn’t walk much.  In any event, despite his constraints and limitations, Skowron still had the most aggregate bWAR of any AL first baseman over the 11-season period from 1954 through 1964.  He certainly received his share of glory and will long be remembered as an important, talented, gregarious and popular part of the Mantle/Berra/Ford/Stengel Yankees dynasty.  And for a once-upon-a-time very young fan, as an introduction to the charm of baseball nicknames.

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Hartvig
Hartvig
12 years ago

Aw geez, first Killebrew then Don Mincher and now the Moose? All the old American League sluggers of my youth are passing, it would seem.

In Bill James’ second Historical Abstract (and maybe the first, as well) he tells a story about Joe Pepitone having to talk some guys in the mob out of arranging a little “accident” for Skowron so Pepitone could get some playing time.

Ed
Ed
12 years ago

I remember having a Moose Skowron baseball card when I was a kid. Since I was born in ’69, two years after he retired, I really have no idea how I got it. But I definitely treasured it as it was one of the oldest cards in my collection.

Tmckelv
Tmckelv
12 years ago

There are five players to play (and win) in the World Series at least 4 times with the Yankees AND at least once with another club.

Babe Ruth (Bos), Joe Gordon (Cle), Moose Skowron (LAD), Paul O’Neill (Cin), & David Cone (Tor).

Moose is the only one of those guys to beat the Yanks in the WS (1963).

RIP

MikeD
MikeD
12 years ago
Reply to  birtelcom

Not a surprise. Skowron was before my time, but I heard him interviewed and read enough about him to know that to his dying day he loved being a Yankee and never wanted to leave. Probably having to face his former team mates the very next season in the World Series wasn’t one of his favorite highlights, but I’m sure he still enjoyed getting the World Series share he had grown used to while a Yankee.

Doug
Doug
12 years ago
Reply to  Tmckelv

A few more with 4+ series with Yanks (not necessarily winning all of them) plus one or more with another team.

Roger Maris (STL), Graig Nettles (SDP), Chuck Knoblauch (MIN)

John Autin
Editor
12 years ago

Well done, birtelcom. This is kind of a tangent, but … The first thing that caught my eye on reading his obituary was that he joined the Yanks in 1954, so he just missed their record-setting run of 5 straight championships — yet he still got into 8 WS in 10 years, winning 5 titles. Also … Besides playing against his ex-mates in the ’63 Series, he got dealt to the White Sox in July ’64, just in time for a heated 3-way pennant race against the Yanks and Orioles. The ChiSox were a couple games back when Skowron joined… Read more »

MikeD
MikeD
12 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

I was going to to add Charlie “King Kong” Keller to that list, but a quick review shows I misremembered (I had to work that word into at least one post today in recognition of Pettitte’s appearance at the trial today and tomorrow). The Yankees did call Keller up early (he was 22) and not after much time in the minors. I think in my mind I’ve Keller and Moose as players who would have had different careers with different circumstances. Moose if he didn’t play at Yankee Stadium, and Keller if they didn’t turn him into a great, all-field… Read more »

e pluribus munu
e pluribus munu
12 years ago

When I was little, in what must have been my first game at the Stadium – ’57 or ’58 – Skowren came to the plate with runners on base and the crowd erupted in what I took to be angry shouts. I turned to my father and asked, “Why are they booing him?” “They’re not booing him,” he answered, “they’re mooing him.” The last sound in ‘Moose’ was lost in the chorus of long vowels. I asked whether Skowren knew – I was worried he’d feel bad. I never had much use for anyone in pinstripes, but I somehow liked… Read more »

Tmckelv
Tmckelv
12 years ago

My wife asked me the same thing last season while we watched the introductions during Yankee Old Timers’ Day. Here was this 80 year old man with cancer running out on the field to a chorus of what sounded like boos. She was very upset until I corrected her.

People have been questioning “Are they booing him?” for 50+ years.

no statistician but
no statistician but
12 years ago
Reply to  Tmckelv

Moose Moryn, a contemporary of Skowron’s with the Cubs, also got “Moose” calls, but at Wrigley. My recollections is that Moryn’s popularity started the calls, and the ones for Skowron were imitative—but I could be wrong. Skowron was the better player, but for a few years Moryn did pretty well too.

MikeD
MikeD
12 years ago

I think the question is was either imitating the other? Moose has been a popular nickname throughout the game’s history, predating both Skowron and Moryn, so perhaps other players were serenaded with Moose (and the similar “Lou”) calls prior to the two, but perhaps Skowron became identified with it because he played for the Yankees and was in the World Series just about every year. If it did start with one of the two, I think it’s more likely Skowron. They were contemporaries, both debuting in ’54, but Moryn only had a cup of coffee with the Dodgers his first… Read more »

no statistician but
no statistician but
12 years ago
Reply to  MikeD

Mike D: You could be right in either of your hypotheses. What I do remember was that Moryn was a big fan favorite from day one with the Cubs. I don’t remember that about Skowron when he started up. He was hitting over .300, but journeyman Joe Collins got more playing time in ’54 and as much in ’55. To me Collins remains a mystery player for his fairly long career, sharing time with Mize, Eddie Robinson, Skowron, and a couple of lesser lights but generally being regarded as the regular. Anyway, ’56 was the first season for both Mooses… Read more »

MikeD
MikeD
12 years ago
Reply to  MikeD

no statistician, I will totally defer to you on the fan reaction toward both when they were playing. I’m guessing by your post that you actually saw Moryn and Skowron. My baseball-watching days started in the early 1970s, so both predate me.

And, for whatever it’s worth, I’m hoping you did see them play, since I like thinking I’m not the elder statesman here!

no statistician but
no statistician but
12 years ago
Reply to  MikeD

Mike D:

Sorry to say that yes, I am older than you. As a small town town Illinoisian my viewing of these players was mostly on Chicago TV, via Dizzy Dean on the Saturday Game of the Week, and, for Skowron, the World Series broadcasts. I saw Skowron play as a Yankee a couple of times in person at Old Comiskey Park, and Moryn maybe once at Wrigley.

e pluribus munu
e pluribus munu
12 years ago
Reply to  Tmckelv

I certainly don’t want to make any claims of priority for Skowron – I wouldn’t know – but your comment, Tmckelv (am I pronouncing that right?), makes me think he may hold the MLB record for most years between moos.

Brent
Brent
12 years ago

Moose told a story for years on Chicago radio about his rookie year and Casey Stengel. He got a couple details wrong (for which he should be forgiven, it happened 5 decades ago), but it is still a great story. Moose was in the starting lineup on June 10, 1954 against a left handed starting pitcher by the name of Al Aber of the Tigers. It was a home game for the Yankees and he was batting 6th and playing first that day. After the Tigers went in order in the first, the Yankees came to bat: Rizzuto walked, Brown… Read more »

John Autin
Editor
12 years ago
Reply to  Brent

A similar story about Sparky Anderson and weak-hitting 3B John Vukovich appears in Joe Posnanski’s book about the ’75 Reds, The Machine. This one happened in the 2nd inning, and there hadn’t been a pitching change — Sparky just decided he couldn’t bear to let Vukovich bat with the bases loaded and one out.

It didn’t work; the PH made an out, the Reds didn’t score in the inning and they went on to lose the game.

Within a couple of weeks, Sparky moved Pete Rose to 3B and Vuke to the bench, then to the minors.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/LAN/LAN197504160.shtml

John Autin
Editor
12 years ago
Reply to  Brent

Checking last year’s pinch-hitters…

Found a few in the first inning so far, but all were clearly due to injury, as the removed players went on the DL afterwards.