Oldest Batter vs. Pitcher Matchups

Recently, Raphy posted a blog concerning the oldest pair of players to start a game at each position. Not surprisingly, the position of pitcher had the oldest starters, with one instance of a game with each starting pitcher over 44 years old – Jamie Moyer vs. David Wells on July 21, 2007.

That got me to thinking about what would be the oldest matchup of batter vs. pitcher. After some research, it appears the answer is also 44 years – that is, both batter and pitcher at least 44 years old. Note that I’m referring to an actual plate appearance, not just players appearing in the same game. Here are those games, indicating the final career matchup for each pair, with the oldest matchup highlighted.

Game

Combined Age

Batter Team Age Pitcher Team Age
2003-05-15

90.289

Julio Franco ATL 44.265 Jesse Orosco SDP 46.024
2007-06-15

93.246

Julio Franco NYM 48.296 Roger Clemens NYY 44.315
2007-07-21

88.307

Jamie Moyer PHI 44.245 David Wells SDP 44.062
2007-07-21

88.307

David Wells SDP 44.062 Jamie Moyer PHI 44.245
2011-07-29

89.092

Omar Vizquel CHW 44.096 Tim Wakefield BOS 44.361

 The Franco/Clemens game came more than 23 years after their first matchup (in Clemens’ career debut), likely the longest span of competition for any two players.

Since 44 years is our limit, I filled out the above list with other games where the combined age of batter and pitcher exceeds 88 years. Here are those games, chronologically.

Game

Combined Age

Batter Team Age Pitcher Team Age
1930-06-10

88.256

Jack Quinn PHA 46.344 Red Faber CHW 41.277
1930-06-10

88.256

Red Faber CHW 41.277 Jack Quinn PHA 46.344
1931-05-04

88.013

Clarence Mitchell NYG 40.071 Jack Quinn BRO 47.307
1931-09-22

89.081

Mike Gonzalez STL 40.363 Jack Quinn BRO 48.083
1933-07-07

91.244

Rabbit Maranville BSN 41.238 Jack Quinn CIN 50.006
1945-06-24

89.061

Jack Saltzgaver PIT 42.152 Hod Lisenbee CIN 46.274
1945-08-10

88.293

Curt Davis BRO 41.337 Hod Lisenbee CIN 46.321
1945-08-10

88.293

Hod Lisenbee CIN 46.321 Curt Davis BRO 41.337
1971-09-14

89.181

Willie Mays SFG 40.131 Hoyt Wilhelm LAD 49.050
1972-06-24

88.109

Hank Aaron ATL 38.140 Hoyt Wilhelm LAD 49.334
1982-09-01

88.128

Manny Mota LAD 44.195 Jim Kaat STL 43.298
1983-08-13

88.323

Carl Yastrzemski BOS 43.356 Gaylord Perry KCR 44.332
1987-05-01

89.325

Hal McRae KCR 41.295 Phil Niekro CLE 48.030
1987-06-01

88.067

Darrell Evans DET 40.006 Phil Niekro CLE 48.061
2004-04-08

89.066

Julio Franco ATL 45.228 John Franco NYM 43.203
2006-05-03

89.061

Julio Franco NYM 47.253 Roberto Hernandez PIT 41.173
2007-05-04

92.125

Julio Franco NYM 48.254 Randy Johnson ARI 43.236
2007-05-30

88.090

Jamie Moyer PHI 44.193 Randy Johnson ARI 43.262
2007-05-30

88.090

Randy Johnson ARI 43.262 Jamie Moyer PHI 44.193
2008-08-15

88.029

Jamie Moyer PHI 45.271 Greg Maddux SDP 42.123
2008-08-15

88.029

Greg Maddux SDP 42.123 Jamie Moyer PHI 45.271

 For the record, I have omitted from the list above 4 matchups from Satchel Paige’s one-game 1965 cameo with the As at age 59 (although Satch acquitted himself admirably, pitching 3 scoreless frames and allowing only one hit).

Some notes:

  • The Faber/Quinn tilt was a tense affair as they duelled each other in relief through scoreless 8th and 9th inning frames of a tie game. Faber got nicked for two runs in the 10th, but Quinn couldn’t hold the lead, giving up two unearned tallies in the home 10th. In the end, neither figured in the decision as the White Sox prevailed in the 11th.
  • The Manny Mota game was his final career AB, pinch-hitting for Mike Scioscia. Kaat retired him in the 13th inning, with the tying run at 2nd base.
  • The Rabbit Maranville matchup was the final game of Jack Quinn’s career, 6 days after his 50th birthday.  
  • The Saltzgaver/Lisenbee matchup was a wartime special, as each player that season was making his first major league appearance in many years (8 years for Saltzgaver, 9 years for Lisenbee). To both their credits, they stuck with it for the full season, with Saltzgaver particularly giving a good account of himself (.325 BA, 115 OPS+). Lisenbee’s final game on Sep 7, 1945 (before a double-header “crowd” of just 675) was the last ML appearance for a player born in the 1800s.
  • Kind of cool also to see Mays and Aaron next to each other on this list. Wilhelm struck out Mays to end the game and earn a save.  Aaron, though, singled home the tie-breaking run in the 9th as Wilhelm took the loss.
  • In the Moyer/Maddux tilt, Moyer prevailed 1-0 on a Pat Burrell HR. Both pitchers went 7 strong innings.

Which matchup do you think will be the next to make this list?

 

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Diane
12 years ago

Fun fun fun …. would love to know how you tracked down the actual matchups.

junius worth
junius worth
12 years ago

very cool stuff.

Lawrence Azrin
Lawrence Azrin
12 years ago

If Jamie Moyer (age 49) makes the Opening Day roster of the Rockies, here’s some possibilities, using the 2011 NL “Oldest Player” list (I’ve deleted players who have formally retired):

Rhodes (STL) born 1969-10-24 {42}
Saito (MIL) born 1970-02-14 {41}
Giambi (COL) born 1971-01-08 {41}
Batista (STL) born 1971-02-19 {41}
Blanco (ARI) born 1971-08-29 {40}
Rodriguez (WSN) born 1971-11-27 {40}
Contreras (PHI) born 1971-12-06 {40}

John Autin
Editor
12 years ago
Reply to  Lawrence Azrin

Jim Thome (now 41, turns 42 on Aug. 27) is with the Phillies. Colorado visits them June 19-21. No telling if Moyer will pitch, and Thome’s not expected to face a lot of lefties this year.

Moyer is unlikely to face any of those relievers, nor his teammate Giambi.

Lawrence Azrin
Lawrence Azrin
12 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

I was aware that there were several relievers on the list in #4, but figured it would be a good place to start. It is possible that Moyer could face one of these relievers if he were batting (I know, extremely unlikely).

I’m not sure if these players are even still with their listed teams; for instance, I-Rod hasn’t signed with any team as far as I know.

Smithyy
Smithyy
12 years ago
Reply to  Doug

Moyer could face Manny Ramirez by the time Man-Ram turns 40 after May. Of course after his 50-game suspension and if he’s still on the A’s roster.

Dr. Remulak
Dr. Remulak
12 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

Miquel Tejada’s actually 53 years old.

bstar
12 years ago
Reply to  Dr. Remulak

+16 humor points for that last comment.(53 minus “actual age”).

John Autin
Editor
12 years ago

I was hoping to find Toronto (Vizquel) on Colorado’s interleague schedule, but no, they play the AL West this year.

Hartvig
Hartvig
12 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

As soon as I read Lawrence’s post #4 (before I read yours) I went to Omar’s B-R page to see who he had signed with in the offseason.

Isn’t Julio Franco still playing down in Mexico? Maybe someone will sign him as a pinch hitter.

Ed
Ed
12 years ago
Reply to  Hartvig

So Omar tricked another team into signing him, eh? Honestly it amazes me that teams continue to think he’s their best option for (f)utility infielder.

bstar
12 years ago
Reply to  Ed

I’d trade Jack Wilson of the Braves for Vizquel this year, if just for the novelty factor. Vizquel actually had a better OPS+(65 to 59!) and better D than Wilson last year, if only slightly. It’s not like the Braves and Jays haven’t swapped shortstops before. 🙂

Tmckelv
Tmckelv
12 years ago

I expected to see Minnie Minoso on the second list during at least one of his late call-ups (1976 – 50 years old) or 1980 (54 years old)

First I checked:
1980 – 2 G, 2 PA as pinch hitter. Frank Tanana and Dale Schuler (both only 26 years-old)

Then I checked:
1976 – 3 G, 8 PA. Game 1 – 3 PA vs Frank Tanana again!, 2nd gane 3 PA vs Sid Monge (25 years old), Game 3 – 2 PA vs Sid Monge again!

They loved playing Minnie against the Angels.

bstar
12 years ago

Chipper Jones will be 40 on April 24; seems like he has a higher probability to bat against Moyer than Thome(lefty vs. lefty). The big question is whether Chipper will be in the lineup the day Moyer goes against the Braves, if he does at all. Every day’s a toss-up with the Old Man and his cranky body.

John Nacca
John Nacca
12 years ago
Reply to  bstar

Chipper Jones….40…..for some reason that just doesn’t sound right……

bstar
12 years ago
Reply to  John Nacca

Believe it or not, Chipper put up more WAR than any position player on the Braves last year; in 2010, he led all Braves position players in WAR/PA, barely nosing out Jason Heyward.
Let’s hope for the Braves’ sake someone else in their lineup steps up and plays better than the 40-year old.

oneblankspace
oneblankspace
12 years ago

Moyer and Maddux were teammates with the Cubs before they finally installed lights.

Andy
Admin
12 years ago

Doug, we have the ability to post tables using a widget in the WordPress interface…I’ll send you an email about it.

AlbaNate
AlbaNate
12 years ago

I expect to see knuckleballer R. A. Dickey pitching into old age. He’s only 36 now, so it’ll be a while before he gets there.

nightfly
12 years ago

I am enjoying the appearance of the oldest Franco confrontation in MLB history, Julio vs. John. Knuckleballers are good candidates for this sort of thing. Did Charlie Hough have any square-offs with folks aged 40+? I see that he appeared in a game with Larry Andersen (PHL), July 26th 1994 (aged 46 and 41 respectively), but neither hit against the other… and in fact, Hough started and had a SHORTER outing than Andersen (just 1/3 of an inning in his final major league game). Now, Hough and Carlton Fisk both played for the White Sox in 1992. Chicago was very… Read more »

Doug
Doug
12 years ago
Reply to  nightfly

Fisk also played 1st base in some of Hough’s games. But he never caught Hough in 2 seasons as teammates, and it seems quite intentional. For example, in 1991, Fisk was in the game playing first base on June 18, June 28 and Sep 15, and moved behind the plate as soon as Hough left the game.

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Voomo Zanzibar
Voomo Zanzibar
12 years ago
Reply to  nightfly

Franco is on the first list twice… four years apart. _________ About Hod Lisenbee: Following his retirement in 1942, he came back in 1944 with Syracuse and pitched a no-hitter at the age of forty-five. The next year, he pitched 31 games for the Reds, mostly in relief. After the war, he continued to pitch in his native city of Clarksville, TN (Kitty League) until he was fifty. Hod fooled many a young batter in the Kitty with a unique windup style. He would windmill both the pitching hand and the gloved hand, often in opposite directions. He would then… Read more »

Mike L
Mike L
12 years ago

All I want is a one at bat call up from the Yankees in an inter-league game that Jamie Moyer pitches in. We will bust that century mark. Nothing but change=ups, Jamie, and I’ll wear armor.

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
12 years ago

Bobo Newsom and Satchel Paige participated in the same game on 6/26/53 but did not face each other.

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
12 years ago

I forgot to mention that Newsom was 45 and Paige was 46.

Ed
Ed
12 years ago

At the age of 47, Jack Quinn finished 17th in the MVP voting. I assume he’s the oldest player to receive an MVP vote?

Quinn is also one of only 4 MLB players from Austria-Hungary. None of the others appeared in more than 16 games. The Pirates also had a manager (Hugo Bezdek) from there.

BTW, best birthplace appears to be Ed Porray. According to the his BR page, he was born in the Atlantic Ocean. I didn’t realize that mermen were allowed to play professional baseball!

bstar
12 years ago
Reply to  Ed

Quinn’s the oldest I can find for placing in the MVP vote also. Here’s some close calls:

age 45 Satchel Paige – 1945(finished 17th in voting)
age 43 Nolan Ryan – 1990(25th)
age 42 Roger Clemens – 2005(22nd)

Position players:

age 41 Stan Musial – 1962(10th)
age 41 Ted Williams – 1960(13th)

There might be a few more out there.

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
12 years ago
Reply to  bstar

Paige finished 17th in 1952 and he was 46 at the end of the season.

Hartvig
Hartvig
12 years ago
Reply to  Ed

I’ve thought for years that Jim Konstanty was either 40 or 41 in his MVP season. Imagine my surprise when I go to look and see that he was only 33.

And while I would guess most followers of this site are aware of it, we should still mention that Willie Stargell was 39 year old the year he actually won the MVP.

And out of respect for old guys (since I am one) we won’t point out that he had to share the award with Keith Hernandez or that he didn’t really deserve it.

Lawrence Azrin
Lawrence Azrin
12 years ago
Reply to  Hartvig

Barry Bonds (b. 7-24-64) was 40 years old when he won the NL MVP in 2004.

Ryan
Ryan
12 years ago

Even if you include the Paige game, I only get four (well, five) additions to the table:

Paige (59.80) vs. Eddie Bressoud (33.146) = 92.226
Paige vs. Felix Mantilla (31.58) = 90.138
Paige vs. Lee Thomas (29.232) = 88.312
Paige vs. Bill Monbouquette (29.45) = 88.125
(Monbouquette vs. Paige = 88.125)

The first two matchups would be 2nd (behind Franco/Clemens) and 6th (those two, Franco/Unit, Franco/Orosco, Maranville/Quinn).

John Autin
Editor
12 years ago
Reply to  Ryan

The convergence of all things baseball (or at least all things HHS): – Paige & Monbouquette struck each other out in a span of 3 batters in Satchel’s final game. It was also Monbo’s last game for Boston. He was traded to Detroit a week later. – The following spring, Monbo had a hand in the hot start of George Scott’s career. Boomer’s very first HR came in a game Monbouquette started, on April 19. Two weeks later, Scott connected twice in another Monbo start, for his first multi-HR game. He hit 2 more the next day … and that’s… Read more »

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
12 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

Grant’s 20th win came 8 days prior to Bob Gibson’s 20th win.

Richard Chester
Richard Chester
12 years ago
Reply to  John Autin

Brooks hit his 10th HR in his 37th game, Sam Horn in his 31st game, Kevin Maas in his 25th game and Shane Spencer in his 27th game. Unfortunately it was not a harbinger of things to come for any of them.

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